You never know if a girl's gonna say 'yes', or if she's gonna laugh in your face and pull out your still-beating heart and crush it into the ground with her heel.

Xander ,'Help'


We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good  

There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."


DavidS - Dec 11, 2003 7:48:26 am PST #203 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Would ASCAP or BMI or whoever have that info at their website?

ASCAP, ASSCAP...weird confluence of meanings.


bon bon - Dec 11, 2003 7:56:43 am PST #204 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Copyright isn't something I know a lot about, but taking a guess, I think reference to a song by its title is fair use. Like, "I was listening to 'Baby Got Back' on the radio today." But using the artistic creation of someone else to enhance your own-- titling a book or chapter "Baby Got Back", e.g.-- is different. It bleeds from the work that goes into artistic creation.


msbelle - Dec 11, 2003 8:11:17 am PST #205 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I have finished You are not a Stranger Here by Adam Haslett for bookclub this month. I really enjoyed it and am glad that I chose to read a collection of short stories. We will probably never read another collection as a bookclub book (the last one was "Stranger Things Happen" by Kelly Link) since they are rather hard to discuss as a whole.

This collection deals a lot with loss of various types and peoples' reaction to it. The characters are easy to read, even if their circumstances are not. If that makes sense.

I thoroughly enjoyed it and recommend it. It is pretty short, I managed just about 1 story on each commute.


DavidS - Dec 11, 2003 8:13:45 am PST #206 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

titling a book or chapter "Baby Got Back", e.g.-- is different. It bleeds from the work that goes into artistic creation.

Emma Bull's War of the Oaks uses famous rock song titles for every chapter name, and I duobt she paid royalties on each one of those. Kind of doubt she even got clearances. We could ask Scrappy!


Betsy HP - Dec 11, 2003 8:21:45 am PST #207 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

But it's routine to title books from fragments of poetry -- somebody put up a very funny Web page awhile back that spelled out almost the entirety of Yeats's "The Second Coming" in book covers. Even though The Second Coming is still under copyright, people title books "The Widening Gyre" without any permission from the Yeats estate.


bon bon - Dec 11, 2003 8:33:16 am PST #208 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

All I'm saying is that use of an artistic creation (or for that matter, trademark) and reference to it are different for infringement purposes. Fair use is only a defense whose success depends on the facts of each specific case. And often how infringing something is to a particular copyright holder may simply depend on how litigious he or she is. Yeats may be quite a bit more permissive than the Joyce estate, for instance.


joe boucher - Dec 11, 2003 9:04:08 am PST #209 of 10002
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

Don't know how accurate this is, but "10 Big Myths about copyright explained". #5 is the one to see. On a related note, Rosa Parks is suing Outkast.


deborah grabien - Dec 11, 2003 9:16:58 am PST #210 of 10002
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Rosa Parks is suing Outkast

This may be not-quite-flu talking, but I have to say, that by itself is one of the single oddest, and twisty-funniest, sentences I have ever seen.


joe boucher - Dec 11, 2003 10:16:22 am PST #211 of 10002
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

It would be funny except that I find her lawsuit so misguided that the sentence loses its humor.


Strix - Dec 11, 2003 10:20:25 am PST #212 of 10002
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Yeah, I have to agree, Joe. It's pretty ridiculous, and I can't believe a judge didn't throw it out. There's no slander involved, and she is a public figure.