le nubian, I see your point-- but to create a new thread for just three weeks discussion (because, after 11th August, nothing will be spoilery for Brits t sob ) will make those people on the forum who are opposed to thread proliferation (and there are quite a number, whom you maybe haven't met if you don't read Bureaucracy) very annoyed. And to try and have discussions in whitefont in the main thread is not that easy. This is a very short term limit on discussion, for a strange and exceptional circumstance. Especially given that under normal rules, the last episode we will see (Objects In Space) we could already have been spoiled for in the main thread. I think I've mostly escaped, but only because people there have been kind enough to limit their discussion.

I realise it's awkward, and more than a little strange, but it's a) short term and b) a one-off. It's three weeks: we see The Message on 28th July, Heart of Gold on 4th August, and Objects In Space on 11th August. Please, hold off until then?

And we haven't really, in the midst of all this 'where shall we go?' had time and space to discuss Trash as much as I might have liked.

I assumed that the lack of respect for Inara's profession was an Alliance/Independent thing. Within Alliance society, Companions are respected; I imagine that the Independents may have picked up on the existance of 'legalised prostitutes' within Alliance society and used it as part of 'look, these people are bad and must be killed' propaganda. I don't see, in the crew's attitudes, disrespect for Inara as a person, but (with the exceptions of Wash, who has little to do with her; Simon, who is polite and kind as always; and River, who is a hard person to use as a measure of normal behaviour) the crew are rim worlders, Independants as far as they have politics, and they don't respect Inara's profession (though only Mal, and maybe Jayne, who doesn't respect much, really go as far as to show that).

Am-Chau,

okay very well. I wished some discussion of this had happened in the thread before the proposal to limit discussion went through. It certainly took me by surprise.

I am not an admin. The rules are being hashed out for firefly in the Bureaucracy thread. Once again, I implore you to read about the discussion of said thread changes there, especially the last 100 posts.

Buffy and Angel spoiler threads actually do have exceptions, as they have a "Spoilage lite" thread where the rules are stricter and whitefonting is the order of the thread.

As this thread has actually become a somewhat "Spoilage lite" by agreement, at least for the time being (and until, again, it is confirmed in Bureaucracy) I would suggest that one would do well to only discuss the current week's episode as aired in the UK at approximately 1 pm Mondays, Buffista Board time.

Buffy and Angel spoiler threads actually do have exceptions

I don't follow Spoilage Lite for the very reason that I'm not interested in whitefonting in the spoiler threads. By definition that seems antithetical.

Because it was requested, I will cooperate and not spoil, but I do wish some discussion had happened here and not in Bureaucracy. Perhaps everyone else who follows this thread reads that one, but I do not.

My nick comes from a musical group, Les Nubians.

Think I'll start calling you Les...

I wished some discussion of this had happened in the thread before the proposal to limit discussion went through. It certainly took me by surprise.

I wish we'd discussed this before the situation was right on top of us, as well. It was confusing to try and explain beforehand, though (and it's still not easy), and while there was some mention of it in the main Firefly thread, for obvious reasons I didn't want to come over here and raise it at that point, fearing even more spoiling.

Edit: thank you for the cooperation. It means a lot to me.

I would suggest that one would do well to only discuss the current week's episode as aired in the UK at approximately 1 pm Mondays, Buffista Board time.

Well, not quite, Daniel. We're (I'm) only asking people to avoid discussing the last three episodes-- so it's "all of Firefly except..." rather than "just this episode". But yeah, we're asking to be in Spoilage Lite rather than Spoilers for a little while.

Be that as it may, I am done addressing this. I am not an admin and apparently my explainations are not adequite to address Le neubian's concerns.

I'm tired, I'm going to bed.

Daniel, I went to the Bur. thread and posted. Maybe you are cranky or something, but there was no reason to post your message sounding like I'm some impossible child. I agreed to cooperate. Previously I had no context for the decision and wished it had been addressed here.

Thanks Am-Chau. Sorry for seeming dense, but now that I understand the situation, I do think y'all should have better accomodations, but I'll make sure and refrain from posting about eps you haven't seen for awhile.

I apologize that you feel like I was talking about you like you were an impossible child.

I tried to help several times, and now that it is 3:30 am, I am probably not as coherent as usual.

Ignore the tired man.

Oooooh I love Mondays! I lovelovelove the two episodes back-to-back thing!

Trash was just as much fun the second time around - arguably more so, because when you're not caught up in the moment it's nice to be able to respond to the show when you already know where it's going and how it's going to get there. More chance to concentrate on the scenery. And I do love YoSaffBridge to pieces, I really do. And I'm going to continue to like Inara, and to adore Wash'n'Kaylee'n'Zoe. And the Tams - bless the Tams. And bless whosoever it was that decided to give us gratuitous naked Canadian, because I am grateful to them from the bottom of my heart, not to mention assorted other organs. Really. Gotta love Cap'n No Pants.

I should also say - the effects were bloody spectacular. I'm not so much one to notice the FX, generally speaking, but the whole scene with Kaylee and Jayne (and then Zoe) getting the doodad slotted into the whojamaflip on the Garbage Bin? That was so well done. Seamlessly done.

Anyway - The Message. First things first - one of the things I love most (except this is a very big list, and subject to change depending on what I'm concentrating upon at any given moment, granted, but nevertheless...) one of the things I love most about this show is the sense of the 'verse. I just love it when they go planetside, or dock on a station. I lovelovelove all the wee details - the door handle on Shindig, the 'Hot Dog' stand in The Train Job, the consistent mix of cultures and costumes and the sense of being dirty and lived-in and real. The whole Star Wars cantina thing, I guess I mean, rather than the sanitized Trekverse take on living quarters and one-fashion-fits-all cultures. It makes me happy. So the whole Freak Show thing was a delight, as was River's bafflement at her snow planet snack thing. And, as you can doubtless imagine, I was utterly undone by the Simon/Kaylee scene. Dear sweet merciful God - when they finally put Woobie in the dictionary (and I say this as one who cringes at having to use such a juvenile word, but the devil of it is that there is no satisfactory alternative in any conventional lexicon) then Simon Tam's photograph is going to be right there next to it. How utterly, utterly disarmingly cute and hopeless he is, bless him. And Kaylee all in her pretty dress, the darling girl, with her "say more good stuff about me". Props to Maher - he really sold it. Which goes without saying, I know - hello, damn fine ensemble. But still - I could believe that he actually did come out with this phenomenally mood-killing foot-in-mouth insult in the sincere belief that it was kind of amusing. Bless him. Owch. And Wash'n'Zoe! With the cow foetus! Oh, I'm loving Wash'n'Zoe more and more, I really am. But Simon's still my favourite - I was only sorry that we didn't get more Simony goodness throughout the rest of the episode - but there we are. Can't fit everyone in with such a limited amount of time, and he got a lovely scene there at the start. And with the cutting open! That was all very good too.

And holy cow, it was lovely HoldenVamp actorguy! Whose name I'm having some difficulty tracking down on imdb, but he surely is in the Whedon stable right now and no mistake. Trust we'll see a fair bit of him in next season's AtS. Very much enjoyed the flashbacks to the war. Some good stuff there - could Zoe possibly be any cooler? Really. Just love the Zoe-Mal show to pieces. (Also very much enjoyed Inara in this episode, I should add - I guess she's one of my least beloved characters, but I do like her plenty.)

Also? Jim! From The Sentinel, which we've just started getting over here. Good lord.

Oh! And I must reiterate my astonished delight at how very, very, VERY good the fx are. The work is utterly convincing - I mean, I cannot imagine how they could have possibly made anything more convincing for the whole going-down-to-the-planet thing. All that chase sequence, with the snow and ice and the two ships and the shifts of focus - sweet weeping mother of God, that was gorgeous. That was just gorgeous.

Lovely ep, this. Oh, damn - Jayne! And his hat! God, I do love Jayne to pieces - Baldwin cracks me up consistently with his delivery. He's got such terrific comic timing, bless him - I mean, he gets smashing lines, but, damn, he does sell them beautifully well.

Um.

So, yeah. Still don't hate the show.