On the other hand we have a badass woman fiighter? And they don't seem to be seen as Calamity Jane type exceptions. And woman engineers. In general , not nearly the gender inequality of the old west. Generally gender equality tends to go hand in hand with less repression against homosexualty. So we can assume great openess to HoYay, and to GayAndLesMarYay than the real old West -- until proven otherwise.
Giles, if you would like to get by in American society, then you are going to have to follow our traditions. You're the patriarch. You have to host the festivities, or it's all meaningless.
Buffy ,'Sleeper'
Firefly Spoilers
Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.
Typo Boy - Sep 30, 2002 11:13:13 am PDT #36 of 1424
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Anne W. - Sep 30, 2002 11:17:44 am PDT #37 of 1424
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
Well, this is a ME production, so I'd assume the writers would be reasonably gay-friendly.
What I'd love to see is for one of the characters to meet an old flame or hook up with someone of the same gender and have no one on the show even comment on the person's gender.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 30, 2002 11:17:55 am PDT #38 of 1424
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
That "She hit on me too." line of Inara's from the preview might be an indicator that it's still seen as an eyebrow-raising thing. (Too soon to tell out of context...) But yeah, the lesser enforcing of gender-stereotyped roles seems to indicate less uptightness over sexuality in general.
Nutty - Sep 30, 2002 11:37:53 am PDT #39 of 1424
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
If I were a professional carpenter, and had some numbnut weirdo walk up to me and start telling me how to plane a board, I'd be a bit annoyed too.
And you people will never know how I self-edited and saved you all from the mixed metaphor of teaching a carpenter's grandmother to suck eggs.
§ ita § - Sep 30, 2002 12:58:56 pm PDT #40 of 1424
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
That "She hit on me too." line of Inara's from the preview might be an indicator that it's still seen as an eyebrow-raising thing.
But there was no gender-based awkwardness around the idea that Inara might be servicing Kaylee. So I think the eyebrow raising might be from something else, like "how terribly inappropriate to hit on crew/a companion/whatever", other than a fear of lezzie-cooties.
Melusina - Sep 30, 2002 1:14:17 pm PDT #41 of 1424
Nice is different than good.
Or possibly the eyebrow raising was related to the fact that the stowaway seems to have hit on everyone on the ship. (Based on the preview). Is it just me, or did the preview make next week's episode look like Goldilocks in space? "She hit on me too, and I took her up on it!"
Sue - Sep 30, 2002 1:22:06 pm PDT #42 of 1424
hip deep in pie
See, the description of the episode is making me think of Teorama, this totally crazy, pretentious Italian film where a stranger arrives at a family's home, seduces everyone, and shatters their lives. So I'm picturing something obtuse, with weird sub-titles, and featuring a very hairy back.
Needless to say, it gives me the giggles.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 30, 2002 6:23:43 pm PDT #43 of 1424
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Well, we've been told that there's going to be some shocking twist. Maybe River will stumble across the waifish stowaway waxing her shoulderblades at some point in the episode?
Anne W. - Oct 01, 2002 9:18:49 am PDT #44 of 1424
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
I've read what's posted of the pilot episode, and I have to wonder what Fox was thinking. I really, really hope they air it now.
Nutty - Oct 01, 2002 9:51:19 am PDT #45 of 1424
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
The funny thing with the original pilot is, hello, all the exposition is right there on the page. I can't imagine that filming it can have slowed it down so much that the suit who approved the script suddenly realized what he was getting into when he saw the finished product.
Dumbasses.
I'm gathering, however, that as a result of the rewrite, we got a kinder, gentler Captain Tight Pants. For one thing, he hasn't smacked Simon once. I'll be curious to see how the character hews to his original premise. Although I'm glad Wash got perked up a bit in the casting/acting. I'd hardly call Alan Tudyk a shlub.
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