Inara even had the wherewithal to not actually throw herself down the garbage chute. Her clothes are too pretty for that.
I'm just, uh, just feeling kinda... truthsome right now. And, uh... life's just too damn short for ifs and maybes.
Mal ,'Heart Of Gold'
Firefly Spoilers
Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.
Jars - Jul 21, 2003 2:07:09 pm PDT #253 of 1424
Fay - Jul 21, 2003 2:08:59 pm PDT #254 of 1424
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Well, you can't argue with the more sex bit. As to the better acting - dude, I love Princess Leia, and I love Carrie Fisher, but I don't know that I'd say her acting is significantly better than Morena's is in Firefly. She gets lots of good snarky lines, but she doesn't actually get to kick all that much butt - I mean, Inara's pretty good with a sword and a gun as well as a put down. And she's got a better wardrobe. And she gets laid way more often, which is nice for her. Also, she has friendships (and sex) with other women, rather than being the sole token female in an ocean of blokes.
Yeah, I'm with you, Jars. The yanks are gonna kill us, like, but I'm with you.
Jars - Jul 21, 2003 2:14:00 pm PDT #255 of 1424
Kill us but dead.
DXMachina - Jul 21, 2003 2:19:40 pm PDT #256 of 1424
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Well, you can't argue with the more sex bit.
She's a hooker! It's her career, and she seems to approach it very clinically. What fun is that? Most of her clients appear to be young men who've never gotten any, ever, and therefore don't know any better.
Do not dis the Leia...
Frankenbuddha - Jul 21, 2003 2:21:30 pm PDT #257 of 1424
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Do not dis the Leia...
Can I dis the majority of her dialogue, at least?
As Harrison Ford said "You can type this shit George, but you sure can't say it."
DXMachina - Jul 21, 2003 2:26:12 pm PDT #258 of 1424
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
et tu, Ken?
Frankenbuddha - Jul 21, 2003 2:34:29 pm PDT #259 of 1424
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
et tu, Ken?
Well I like Inara and there seems to be a big hate-on for her here. Plus, I like Carrie Fischer, but nothing will ever make me forgive having to watch her commune with the Ruxpins.
Fay - Jul 21, 2003 2:36:30 pm PDT #260 of 1424
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Harrison was a wise man.
She's a hooker! It's her career, and she seems to approach it very clinically.
Man, I so don't get this. I just don't see her as cold. I don't see her as a disingenuous fluffywuffy heart-on-sleeve bunny rabbit, mind, and I think she's got plenty of reserve, but I don't see her as cold. I mean, she's not a tart in the style of Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, thank God, but I do think she's well disposed to her clientele and quite likes a number of them - which, for a professional prostitute, is MORE than warm enough, as far as I'm concerned. I don't think she's any colder or harder than, say, my mate the masseuse. Yes the service she's providing is an intimate thing, and I think she enjoys it, and that she genuinely wants her clients to enjoy it. But no it's not a deep, meaningful personal relationship, and it's not supposed to be.
I see a lot of warmth in her relationship with Kaylee, and I see more reserve (but still courtesy and charm and some warmth) to her relationships with Zoe and Wash and the Tams. The Inara/Mal thing - in this episode I pretty much felt that Mal wasn't at all conflicted about how he felt about her, that he was seeing her as a passenger, no more or less. In other episodes I've been sold on there being mutual sexual tension - but always had the impression that it's more a case of her being fascinated with him than the other way around. Maybe even just with the idea of him.
Increasingly I wonder if this does boil down to a cultural thing, wrt the reserve business, or whether it's to do with viewing order.
Allyson - Jul 21, 2003 2:37:54 pm PDT #261 of 1424
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Apply Lipstick. Insert Tab A into Slot B and serve tea. Apply more lipstick. Flip hair at Mal. Apply coat of varnish on lipstick. Promote new book, "Holier Than Thou Recipes for Tea." Apply more lipstick on top of varnish, take nap. Wake up, roll eyes at Jane, check to make sure 85 coats of lipstick are still really shiny. Smile. Say something arrogant without having anything to back it up. Apply more lipstick. Bitch about lack of rich asswipes to fuck. Make tea.
Fay - Jul 21, 2003 2:41:50 pm PDT #262 of 1424
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Is it Morena's acting in particular that you despise, or the way the character's written, or the concept of a character who is simply a passenger and a high class callgirl?
I mean, you're very much in the majority as far as I can see, but we obviously have very different takes on this.