"War Stories" is actually the last one we watched, so that's good. I'm mostly thinking about the scene in "Heart of Gold" in which he and Zoe talk about having kids. ouch!
Nothing worse than a monster who thinks he's right with God.
Mal ,'Heart Of Gold'
Firefly Spoilers
Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.
Kate P. - Sep 28, 2005 7:14:14 am PDT #1323 of 1424
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love
ChiKat - Sep 28, 2005 8:20:43 am PDT #1324 of 1424
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
I think the assumption that only "us" will care is ... well, probably not one made at the time of writing, and it's not one I hold either.
I do think that only "we" will feel a big impact from Wash's death. The non-tv-viewers will feel that wratching up of tensions, but I don't think the movie provides enough insight to Wash in order to really experience the death. It's like the death of a close friend vs. an acquaintance. Impact, yes. But to what extent?
While the movie sets up some of who he is, one big thing that isn't set up well is the relationship between Wash and Zoe. I was upset by Wash's death, but I was more upset for Zoe having to go on without him. She's a strong woman and she'll make it through, but not before she has to go through a lot of grief. That tore me up.
§ ita § - Sep 28, 2005 8:28:37 am PDT #1325 of 1424
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't think the movie provides enough insight to Wash in order to really experience the death
Are you saying the non-fan's experience will be insufficient? Insufficient to what? What's the scale it's being judged on.
I agree it'll be less, but I don't think it won't be affecting. And I don't see how it can't be less. Most everything's going to be less if you go in without the history and affection and expectations.
Will Wash's death mean less to the first time viewer than the death of a character in your average decent ensemble movie? If so, why? Do you think Joss did a less than averagely decent job of painting Wash as a valuable and rewarding-to-watch character?
Allyson - Sep 28, 2005 8:35:12 am PDT #1326 of 1424
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Is it alright for me to discuss why I thought the movie was awful, or is that going to cause great pain and some craxiness? I don't really want to inflict either on the thread, but I've been wanting to discuss why I thought it smelled of poo. I'll hold back though and stick to my LJ, no harm done, if everyone needs the lovefest.
amych - Sep 28, 2005 8:36:21 am PDT #1327 of 1424
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
Dude, lovefests suck. Post away.
tommyrot - Sep 28, 2005 8:36:50 am PDT #1328 of 1424
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
I wanna hear, Allyson.
Topic!Cindy - Sep 28, 2005 8:40:52 am PDT #1329 of 1424
What is even happening?
I wanna hear.
Cashmere - Sep 28, 2005 8:41:06 am PDT #1330 of 1424
Now tagless for your comfort.
I definitely want to hear your opinion, Allyson.
§ ita § - Sep 28, 2005 8:50:26 am PDT #1331 of 1424
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Well, it's not been a very good lovefest, what with people already complaining, so I don't think there's a cherry here to pop.
ChiKat - Sep 28, 2005 8:50:49 am PDT #1332 of 1424
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
Are you saying the non-fan's experience will be insufficient? Insufficient to what?
I think it will be emotionally unsatisfying. While the tension gets knocked up some, in the movie Wash is a minor character. Minor characters get sacrificed all the time in action movies.
What's the scale it's being judged on.
My scale. Which is, of course, the One True Scale.
Will Wash's death mean less to the first time viewer than the death of a character in your average decent ensemble movie? If so, why? Do you think Joss did a less than averagely decent job of painting Wash as a valuable and rewarding-to-watch character?
Yes, I do think that because I don't think his character was developed enough.