Kaylee: You're nice, too. Mal: No, I'm not. I'm a mean old man.

'Serenity'


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Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


Kalshane - Jun 24, 2005 7:57:52 am PDT #1075 of 1424
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I think Book helped him in this respect too. The whole "you're not that person" (or whatever the line was) and "you gotta have faith" thing seemed to be what tipped Mal into trying to save River again.

Good point. And it ties into the way Serenity the episode Mal is not nearly as dark as Serenity the movie Mal, who in turn are darker than the rest of the TV run Mal. In the beginning of Serenity the episode, we have Inara on his crew, but no Book yet, so Mal is less-ragey than he could be, but still not the character we see through the rest of the run. Once Book integrates with the crew, Mal gets tempered further into the character we're most familiar with.


Steph L. - Jun 24, 2005 8:05:03 am PDT #1076 of 1424
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

I was actually ANGRY at Mal for a while there, thinking, "But you kept insisting before that they WERE part of your crew. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?"

I felt the same way, having recently re-watched all the episodes that aired. Granted, Mal isn't warm and fuzzy to Simon and River in the series, but he's also very matter-of-fact about them being part of his crew, and if you fuck with his crew, you fuck with him.

More random thoughts on the movie:

* After the movie, SA, LingMao and I were talking about how, when the bounty hunter skewered Mal, all we could think was "This is *nothing* -- Mal's been through WAY worse!"

* Honestly, what I liked the best was how amazing Gina Torres was. How she was able to have Zoe react as a wife when Wash got skewered, and then immediately switch to soldier mode. That was the best, purest distillation of Zoe's character I've seen.

And is it wrong that, in the scene at the graves, all I could think was "DAMN, Gina Torres is HOTT!!!"?

* Most of the characters seemed the same as in the series; Mal was the most notable exception, being rather darker, but I also think Jayne was tweaked just a little, to make him a little less -- "dumb" isn't the right word for how he was in the series -- maybe what I mean is that in the movie, he seemed just a little more aware of how things impacted the whole crew rather than just himself. If that makes sense.

And while Simon's personality was the same, I found it interesting that he had more agency in the film than in the series. (But was it necessary to put him in that blue outfit that made him look like an ice dancer?)

* I think that, for viewers who have never seen the series, most of the movie is very accessible and doesn't need the extra backstory from the series. However, I think there needed to be more backstory on Inara (though I *loved* "That's not incense.") and how she fit in with the crew.

* And, as someone who *really* disliked the Chinese slang in the series, because I don't think there were enough external markers to show a strong Asian influence on the world they existed in -- I thought the movie did a bang-up job of giving the various settings an Asian influence.


tommyrot - Jun 24, 2005 8:10:18 am PDT #1077 of 1424
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Oh, and I loved how gracefull Summer was in her fight scenes. One reviewer called it "ballet-fu."


Frankenbuddha - Jun 24, 2005 8:12:36 am PDT #1078 of 1424
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Oh, and I loved how gracefull Summer was in her fight scenes. One reviewer called it "ballet-fu."

It was like a ballet version of what Faith was doing in the night club in 5X5.


Steph L. - Jun 24, 2005 8:13:42 am PDT #1079 of 1424
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Oh, and I loved how gracefull Summer was in her fight scenes.

One of the biggest cheers from our audience was the power shot of River, post-Reaver fight, as the doors opened, revealing her holding the 2 weapons amid all the Reaver corpses. It felt like a Very Buffy Moment.


tommyrot - Jun 24, 2005 8:15:48 am PDT #1080 of 1424
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

It felt like a Very Buffy Moment.

Yes! I was thinking the same thing. It reminded me of that shot of Buffy (that they used in the opening credits) in the episode "Ann," holding the wicked ax with a "OK, who's next?" look on her face.


Steph L. - Jun 24, 2005 8:19:49 am PDT #1081 of 1424
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

It reminded me of that shot of Buffy (that they used in the opening credits) in the episode "Ann," holding the wicked ax with a "OK, who's next?" look on her face.

Yes! That was the episode I was thinking of -- that expression like, "Bring it, bitch," and/or "Don't. Fuck. With. The. TINY. GIRL!!!"


Kiba Rika - Jun 24, 2005 9:09:41 am PDT #1082 of 1424
I may have to seize the cat.

Yes to all on the River Iconic Badass image. But I liked this better, because River has dark hair. And, being dark-haired myself, I always prefer that my badass chicks have dark hair. Because it makes it easier for me to identify with them.

With luck, smonster will get pictures of us up by Monday night.


Lee - Jun 24, 2005 9:12:26 am PDT #1083 of 1424
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I also think Jayne was tweaked just a little, to make him a little less -- "dumb" isn't the right word for how he was in the series

It's not an exact fit, but primal is what comes to my mind for Series!Jayne.


Kiba Rika - Jun 24, 2005 9:15:27 am PDT #1084 of 1424
I may have to seize the cat.

I had wishes for differences in the language. I thought the word "conjure" was overused. I appreciate that the Westernisms were toned down, but it made the ones that were there seem more out of place to me.

I am one of these people who sounds like they hated something, when really they loved it. And I did love it.