On my seventh birthday, I wanted a toy fire truck, and I didn't get it, and you were real nice about it, and then the house next door burnt down, and then real firetrucks came, and for years I thought you set the fire for me. And if you did, you can tell me!

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Firefly Spoilers  

Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


Consuela - May 31, 2005 3:07:05 pm PDT #1020 of 1424
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Betsy's right: Joss doesn't have sound in space. Which is one of the things that I love, but then it makes me crazy when he gets other, basic, scientific things wrong.

Like forgetting space has 3 dimensions: they couldn't just go around the Reavers?


Mr. Broom - May 31, 2005 3:31:04 pm PDT #1021 of 1424
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

Because decades of sci-fi have trained people think of space as being something like the Earth's surface in many ways. You cross it like you cross a landmass or an ocean. There are precise paths and your destination won't move. Everything's on more or less a plane with no real Z axis to speak of. It's not remotely true, but that's how we've learned to visualize it. It's part of overall sci-fi canon. Thus, trying to represent maps of outer space in true three-dimensional style can be difficult to grasp to some people, so Joss has gone with a more traditional approach--2D approximations. Everyone understands those.

If they'd chosen to break with tradition and go full-on 3D, they could have just said the Reavers claimed the entire surrounding sector (or whatever) of space.


Typo Boy - May 31, 2005 7:04:40 pm PDT #1022 of 1424
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

As Matt said above, the reference to terraforming makes the multi-planet solar system less unlikely. They had scouted the local univerise via robot ships for scientific reasons over the millenium before earth was destroyed. When it became obvious that earth was at an end, they picked the solar system most like what they needed and engineered it the rest of the way - not always getting things exactly like they wanted. Not even a huge wank. You can justify 90% of that logic chain from series or film cannon. The parts you can't are not really a hell of stretch, given the capabilities implied and the time passed.


sumi - Jun 02, 2005 3:08:47 am PDT #1023 of 1424
Art Crawl!!!

I never knew before how hard it is to be spoiled. Yesterday when everyone was nattering about which Serenity crew-member would be which Star Wars character and ita said something about "Unca Wash" -- I ALMOST said that it could never be and then I remembered.

Poor Wash. And poor us -- I already miss him.


Lilty Cash - Jun 02, 2005 4:42:42 am PDT #1024 of 1424
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

It is hard. Sometimes when I know a secret I feel like I'm going to say it involuntarily. Like if someone says to me "Hey, it's a nice day outside", I have a knee jerk reaction to say "Wash dies!".


Frankenbuddha - Jun 02, 2005 4:51:12 am PDT #1025 of 1424
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Off topic -

Lilty, I'm coming up to Maine this weekend. I hope to be coming up Friday, and would be coming through Portland 7-9ish. I'll be heading back Sunday and be going through noon-ish. You around?

On topic - I just make damn sure before I post about Firefly right now that I haven't said a movie thing (I looked at my Luke/Leia/River/Simon comment yesterday for a good 2 minutes before I posted, just in case).

What happened at the Serenity preview stays at the Serenity preview.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 02, 2005 5:01:37 am PDT #1026 of 1424
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I almost did the exact same thing Sumi, before realizing she was unspoiled and posting anything there would be a Bad Thing.

I'm kind of torn about being spoiled for that myself. Wash was my 8th favorite character on the show, so I doubt I would have been among those with the most outraged grief reactions, and I kind of regret the moment isn't going to have quite the HSQ factor for me when I see it. Then again, if it had been Zoe or Kaylee in his place I'd have wanted to be spoiled ahead of time so I could be emotionally prepared for the loss.


Mr. Broom - Jun 02, 2005 7:58:36 am PDT #1027 of 1424
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

For the next few days, every conversation I began with my best friend started not with "hi" but with "Wash is dead." He would then say, "I know."

Okay, we're still doing that.


amych - Jun 02, 2005 8:09:57 am PDT #1028 of 1424
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Wash is not dead. Wash will not be dead until Sept 30. It's just that we have a tragic and certain foreknowledge. It's the kind of vibe Walter Benjamin would totally go for, if only he had the pop culture lurve.


Betsy HP - Jun 02, 2005 8:19:14 am PDT #1029 of 1424
If I only had a brain...

He's Schrodinger's Wash: dead to us, but not to the world at large. Or maybe he's Relativity Wash: dead or not-dead depending on the position of the observer.