You gotta comfort them, yo.
Unless you're dealing with a stoneface like Jack¹, or Jack², or Jack³.
Then it's the stoic that makes me wibble.
¹ O'Neill
² Bauer
³ Bristow.
You're a bloody puppet! You're a wee little puppet man!
Spike ,'Smile Time'
Boxed Set, Vol. 1: Smallville, Due South, Farscape
A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much anything else that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
§ ita § - Mar 18, 2004 5:12:14 pm PST #4535 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
bon bon - Mar 18, 2004 5:20:39 pm PST #4536 of 10000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
You gotta comfort them, yo.
Yeah, I'll just skip it. Gimme Michael Samuelle standing by Nikita's hospital bed anyday.
erikaj - Mar 18, 2004 5:23:08 pm PST #4537 of 10000
Always Anti-fascist!
Tim Bayliss. Come on, you knew I'd say it.It disturbs me, the pleasure I find in his pain.
§ ita § - Mar 18, 2004 5:23:26 pm PST #4538 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'd like to be Michael's woobie.
But Ryan needs to be mine.
Woobieness is not commutative.
Vonnie K - Mar 18, 2004 5:28:04 pm PST #4539 of 10000
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
Does Spike/JM have the woobie factor as well?
The woobification of Spike (very largely present among the Spike-holic contingent) was *finally* what made me get turned off the character. It embraced all the negative aspects of the phenomenon--the feverish devotion to the character and inability to acknowledge his/her very real flaws, and the demonization of anyone who is mean to their woobie (i.e. "Buffy is such a bitch for being nasty to my poor Spikey!"). Spike is the character I think about first when people talk about 'The Woobie', actually, which may have a lot to do with my dislike of the term. I had a total flashback to the rabid Spike-holic contingent when I first encountered the more militant Danielites in SG-fandom (and turned my tail and ran like hell to the opposite direction.)
§ ita § - Mar 18, 2004 5:30:29 pm PST #4540 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
My god, if you woobify Spike, you lose the attractive bits. You can't do that to his sort of anti-hero (in theory Lex could still be attractive good -- I mean, he's not precisely bad).
§ ita § - Mar 18, 2004 5:37:31 pm PST #4541 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
loved I not The Jack-and-Daniel Show more.
Rewatching "Divide & Conquer," I thought precisely of Emily's assertion after "Yup, I think these are the Jack O'Neill moments that I'll probably miss the most." "What?" "What?"
bon bon - Mar 18, 2004 5:44:42 pm PST #4542 of 10000
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
Uck. Woobification of Spike creeps me right the fuck out. I tend to think that no character on Buffy was really woobifiable, with my limited knowledge of the term.
Vonnie K - Mar 18, 2004 5:47:43 pm PST #4543 of 10000
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
My god, if you woobify Spike, you lose the attractive bits.
Yeah, exactly. I've got my battle scars, because I used to love the character A LOT back in the day (well, I still like him OK, but the thrill is gone) and I belonged to a couple of big Spike-centric lists on which woobification ran so rampant, I had to leave for the sake of my blood pressure.
I've only watched a handful of SV episodes this year (I actually thought the one in which Lex was driven insane by his father was pretty good. I stuck around for a couple of eps when it came back from hiatus, hoping for the same, and... well, the show went to the crapper again so I stopped), but I think the character of Lex has a huge potential for turning into a Spike with its attendant negative woobification issues, because folks are not going to let go of their woobie when Lex starts turning evil in earnest. (Well, I guess there would be more room for justification given Lex's backstory, but still.)
§ ita § - Mar 18, 2004 5:54:43 pm PST #4544 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
folks are not going to let go of their woobie when Lex starts turning evil in earnest
I realise this ... which is why I never want him to turn evil.
Also because I think the only good work on the show is him (and Chloe, to a lesser extent) walking that fine line. Once he picks a side, I don't think he'll be as interesting. Oh, he'll still be MR, but not need so much comforting.
I'd kinda woobify Oz, but he doesn't need it. He's just so wee and so cute ...
Xander, maybe, S7. Maybe.