Does Spike/JM have the woobie factor as well?
The woobification of Spike (very largely present among the Spike-holic contingent) was *finally* what made me get turned off the character. It embraced all the negative aspects of the phenomenon--the feverish devotion to the character and inability to acknowledge his/her very real flaws, and the demonization of anyone who is mean to their woobie (i.e. "Buffy is such a bitch for being nasty to my poor Spikey!"). Spike is the character I think about first when people talk about 'The Woobie', actually, which may have a lot to do with my dislike of the term. I had a total flashback to the rabid Spike-holic contingent when I first encountered the more militant Danielites in SG-fandom (and turned my tail and ran like hell to the opposite direction.)
My god, if you woobify Spike, you lose the attractive bits. You can't do that to his sort of anti-hero (in theory Lex could still be attractive good -- I mean, he's not precisely bad).
loved I not The Jack-and-Daniel Show more.
Rewatching "Divide & Conquer," I thought precisely of Emily's assertion after "Yup, I think these are the Jack O'Neill moments that I'll probably miss the most." "What?" "What?"
Uck. Woobification of Spike creeps me right the fuck out. I tend to think that no character on Buffy was really woobifiable, with my limited knowledge of the term.
My god, if you woobify Spike, you lose the attractive bits.
Yeah, exactly. I've got my battle scars, because I used to love the character A LOT back in the day (well, I still like him OK, but the thrill is gone) and I belonged to a couple of big Spike-centric lists on which woobification ran so rampant, I had to leave for the sake of my blood pressure.
I've only watched a handful of SV episodes this year (I actually thought the one in which Lex was driven insane by his father was pretty good. I stuck around for a couple of eps when it came back from hiatus, hoping for the same, and... well, the show went to the crapper again so I stopped), but I think the character of Lex has a huge potential for turning into a Spike with its attendant negative woobification issues, because folks are not going to let go of their woobie when Lex starts turning evil in earnest. (Well, I guess there would be more room for justification given Lex's backstory, but still.)
folks are not going to let go of their woobie when Lex starts turning evil in earnest
I realise this ... which is why I never want him to turn evil.
Also because I think the only good work on the show is him (and Chloe, to a lesser extent) walking that fine line. Once he picks a side, I don't think he'll be as interesting. Oh, he'll still be MR, but not need so much comforting.
I'd kinda woobify Oz, but he doesn't need it. He's just so wee and so cute ...
Xander, maybe, S7. Maybe.
Yeah, exactly. I've got my battle scars, because I used to love the character A LOT back in the day (well, I still like him OK, but the thrill is gone) and I belonged to a couple of big Spike-centric lists on which woobification ran so rampant, I had to leave for the sake of my blood
pressure.
I still enjoy the character of Spike but now only woobify him when I re-watch certain scenes.
folks are not going to let go of their woobie when Lex starts turning evil in earnest
I think I can let go of the wooby if Lex starts turning actively evil. But I don't want Lex to really start becoming evil until it gets close to the end of the series.
Also because I think the only good work on the show is him (and Chloe, to a lesser extent) walking that fine line. Once he picks a side, I don't think he'll be as interesting. Oh, he'll still be MR, but not need so much comforting.
I agree.
One of the great things about Season one was the dynamic between Clark and Lex. The episodes I like most this season focused on their relationship.
The episodes I like most this season focused on their relationship.
And there've been precious few. MR makes everything better, but even he's challenged by KK.
KK is Preternaturally Powerful Pink Princess. I'm not who or what could defeat her. Maybe Lionel giving her shock treatments?
Yeah, exactly. I've got my battle scars, because I used to love the character A LOT back in the day (well, I still like him OK, but the thrill is gone) and I belonged to a couple of big Spike-centric lists on which woobification ran so rampant, I had to leave for the sake of my blood pressure.
Huh. You are as me.
(I actually thought the one in which Lex was driven insane by his father was pretty good. I stuck around for a couple of eps when it came back from hiatus, hoping for the same, and... well, the show went to the crapper again so I stopped),
Like, freaky so. Only woobie as a term cracks me up. I blame Te's "Joe Dick: Seekrit Woobie" icon for that.
