and, by the way, I think that it works better for the crossover to see this weeks Buffy before last week's Angel

I dunno. If you watched the Buffy first then you'd already know that Willow showed up in L.A. because Fred called her. I liked being surprised by that tidbit.

So what did y'all think? Giles still seems off to me, but I'm not convinced that it's not just the actor. I liked the Freud stuff. I knew right away that Spike's mother played a key roll, but had no idea where that flashback would lead. I liked Spike's comparing his mum to Wood's. And I liked Buffy's "the mission is what matters" line to Wood at the end. A nice echo of Buffy's "You're beneath me" to Spike at the end of FFL.

To be fair, not only easterners get Buffy on Monday. I'm in Calgary, which is not very Atlantic(though slightly), and I get it.

I liked it. I thought recently turned William was too nice somehow, though...

I thought recently turned William was too nice

I thought the same thing. I guess staking his mother (ick) led him down his current path of eEeeeevil.

I thought recently turned William was too nice

I was thinking that if the thing with his mother hadn't happened, he would have wound up being another Dalton.

I thought it was amazing how in days his accent went from Posh William's to the accent Spike has now.

t /sarcasm

I was surprised to see how much more integrated the man/demon is here on Buffy. No way in hell would unsouled!Spike be fighting happyglowboy!Spike. It's all the same guy, just that one's going to be exercising more criteria before he kills again.

I like that he turned his mother, and I like that she threw sexual attraction in his face. But it mostly wasn't as powerful as I'd have liked, and I spent too much time thinking of the way FFL echoed things, and how that was better (like Spike being driven back towards the wall, by his mother, and by Wood).

I liked also how they said that Dru was his new "mother" since Spike and Dru really had a disfunctional relationship along the same lines as William and his mother.

Just finished watching. Haven't seen last week's Angel yet so I will get them in Canadian order.

I love how Spike was written. I will be delighted if he continues along a no brooding, no excuses path.

Hadn't pictured Dru and Spike so cozy prior to Boxer Rebellion.

Loved Mom and was thrilled with the clarity that Spike has with regard to the demon vs his mother. Mmmm looking forward to watching again tonight.

Also Wood=Hot My screen filled with Spike and Wood was a good thing.

Alas, work prevents me from watching again now. More thoughts later.

I was also disturbed by the fact that William changed his clothes weirdly. That is-- he had the grey mourning coat on with his mother in this ep-- changed to the unsuitable brown for the party and his turning-- then went home after becoming a vampire and changed back into the grey mourning coat? I would think that he would have gotten something new or still been in the brown!