Now, I can hold a note for a long time...actually I can hold a note forever. But eventually that's just noise. It's the change we're listening for. The note coming after, and the one after that. That's what makes it music.

Host ,'Why We Fight'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


Jim - Dec 03, 2004 3:41:27 am PST #9597 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

He's a good guy; good writer, too.


Jon B. - Dec 03, 2004 4:34:44 am PST #9598 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Any reviewer who buys my CDs is alright by me.


Noumenon - Dec 03, 2004 5:02:09 am PST #9599 of 10001
No other candidate is asking the hard questions, like "Did geophysicists assassinate Jim Henson?" or "Why is there hydrogen in America's water supply?" --defective yeti

That is a good thread. It starts out with a bunch of no-caps-users who don't get it, but don't give up on it -- the thoughtful types end up dominating the thread. There's a lot of cross-pollination with music and comics that brings new perspectives to the thread. Examples:

(the description of the "silent" Buffy episode reminds me very much of Marvel's "'Nuff Said!" event month of a couple of years ago where every comic they produced was completely dialogue-free, for example).

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in some ways Buffy is sort of an anglicized anime -- the bizzare fantastic/trivial outsize character soap-opera meets space-opera thing's been happening in anime for years, and sometimes in mildly similar ways.

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I will attempt the over-anticipated and likely k-disappointing Epic Defense tonight, though in the meantime I would start with stop focusing on "Once More with Feeling"! "Once More with Feeling" is like the "Paint a Vulgar Picture" of Buffy: i.e. possibly one of the greatest things it's ever done, but "great" in part because of certain decisions it makes about situating itself as a key, functional point in the context of a much larger story.

These are all things I don't know much about. I was much enlightened by googling "Paint a Vulgar Picture." They also sent me to Google to define Gormenghast, nurse novels, and Habermas. Of course there were some references I could easily get:

while Buffy may be The Beatles of pop tv, and 'Once More with Feeling' may be its 'Sgt Pepper' - the consequence of this is that 'Charmed' is the Monkees.

To people who don't want to read the whole thing I would recommend the discussion about the influence of Chris Claremont on Buffy (search on "totally fakey"; maybe this link should be crossposted to the "Jossverse in other media" thread) and the essay-post "Why I Love Buffy" by Nabisco Sunshine.


Jim - Dec 03, 2004 5:13:15 am PST #9600 of 10001
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

while Buffy may be The Beatles of pop tv, and 'Once More with Feeling' may be its 'Sgt Pepper' - the consequence of this is that 'Charmed' is the Monkees.

And the best point is that everyone then starts yelling "except the Monkees are better than the Beatles!".


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 03, 2004 7:40:21 am PST #9601 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yeah, that inclines me to trust in the insightful nature of the commentary, all right...


sumi - Dec 03, 2004 9:55:50 am PST #9602 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Having recently re-watched "The Real Me" I find this picture of Mercedes McNab particularly amusing.


JenP - Dec 06, 2004 6:42:50 pm PST #9603 of 10001

Random: The Chosen talk above made me think of the best unscene ever - and I can't remember who came up with it - of Oz pulling up in his van, getting out and looking into the pit with a "Huh." I love that part.. it plays in my head. I'll probably be expecting it on the DVD.


sumi - Dec 06, 2004 6:44:28 pm PST #9604 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

I love that scene too. It's almost as if I actually saw it.


JohnSweden - Dec 06, 2004 10:13:13 pm PST #9605 of 10001
I can't even.

I was relating that to friends who are new to Buffy (I KNOW!) recently. They loved it. Do you think I could find it on the internets? Fortunately, it isn't the most difficult scene to recreate. I believe I did it justice.


Nilly - Dec 07, 2004 2:01:54 am PST #9606 of 10001
Swouncing

Jen: Pete, Husband Of Reason "Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh." May 21, 2003 8:14:21 pm PDT (and Frankenbuddha "Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh." May 21, 2003 8:58:00 pm PDT).