These are stone killers, little man. They ain't cuddly like me.

Jayne ,'The Train Job'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


sfmarty - Sep 13, 2004 7:35:12 am PDT #9001 of 10001
Who? moi??

I had gone thru a purge of BBC programs, because I thought they were all gone. MI5 was not there. Is now. (Wish lists reign)


arby - Sep 14, 2004 9:51:56 am PDT #9002 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

Agree with the jossing of Forever thing, BUT just have to say this:

I think Buffy would bring back Tara, but not JUST for Willow's sake - she had gotten close to Tara as a friend and confidante - kind of like the anti-Faith (someone whom she never had to fear would judge her or try to use things against her). Also agree if it was an AU-type wish that meant Tara never died at all, that's different than yanking her out of Heav-en.


Fred Pete - Sep 14, 2004 10:07:51 am PDT #9003 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

arby, that's very possible. And that can lead to a lengthy exploration of the consequences.

Because if Tara doesn't die, we don't see Dark!Willow. Warren isn't flayed (query whether he'd be in prison, escaped, or dead in some other way). Andrew and Jonathan stay in prison. Probably no Giles appearance at the end of S6. Andrew (probably) doesn't stab Jonathan under the school -- no Ubervamp? And Andrew probably not captured by the Scoobs -- who keeps the house running after the Potentials show up?

And who knows what Tara might have done against the First?


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 14, 2004 11:11:36 am PDT #9004 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I still can't wrap my head around Buffy choosing to undo Tara's death rather than Joyce's. Glad that the issue never made it to screen.


Gris - Sep 14, 2004 4:34:04 pm PDT #9005 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Agreeing with Matt on the Joyce thing, but...

I think a much more likely wish Tara-related would be "I wish Tara was alive with no memory of where she's been since her death."

Doesn't make Tara have to sleep with a vampire to feel alive, (remember how happy Joan the Vampire Slayer was? The pain requires the memory) and also doesn't A.U.ify and open up that whole can of wyrms.

In a theoretical sense, the whole "Still removed her from heaven, where she totally deserved to be" thing still applies, but since Buffy had decided that she was actually glad she was alive again, despite the whole shitty-ass pain of season 6, she'd probably be willing to do it as long as Tara didn't have to suffer the same way she did.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 14, 2004 4:59:17 pm PDT #9006 of 10001
What is even happening?

I think a much more likely wish Tara-related would be "I wish Tara was alive with no memory of where she's been since her death."

So yet another brain wipe for poor Tara?


Gris - Sep 14, 2004 5:27:42 pm PDT #9007 of 10001
Hey. New board.

I'm not saying it's a very ethical idea, Cindy. Or even a good one. It just makes more sense as a wish.

Though, you know, brain wipe probably not so much. Since I'm assuming her brain got all buried and stuff. Heh.


Strega - Sep 14, 2004 6:49:36 pm PDT #9008 of 10001

If Joyce hadn't died, she'd have been around when Buffy died. To save her imaginary sister. I could see not wanting to put Joyce through that. Although I also have trouble believing anyone put that much thought into it.

Oh, oh! Or, if Joyce hadn't died, Riley wouldn't have gotten all put out over Buffy's refusal to share her feelings or whatever his problem was, and then they might not have broken up. So Buffy might have figured the trade-off was worth it.


sumi - Sep 15, 2004 4:32:05 am PDT #9009 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Is this the last Buffy thread?

More on the special limited edition of the complete Buffy dvd set.


Topic!Cindy - Sep 15, 2004 7:13:46 am PDT #9010 of 10001
What is even happening?

If they produce a version for the U.S., it had damned well better have the 99 episode previously frames at the beginning of the The Gift.