I'm pretty sure Blucas was.
Yes. Men like sports. Men watch the action movie, they eat of the beef, and enjoy to look at the bosoms. A thousand years of avenging our wrongs and that's all you've learned?
Xander ,'End of Days'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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DebetEsse - Sep 01, 2004 7:00:39 pm PDT #8866 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Gris - Sep 01, 2004 8:21:22 pm PDT #8867 of 10001
Hey. New board.
Buffy regulars: Buffy, Xander, Willow, Cordelia, Angel, Giles, Oz, Riley, Spike, Anya, Tara(one credit appearance. Bastards. Sniff.) 95% sure this list is right.
Angel regulars: Angel, Cordy, Doyle, Wesley, Fred, Gunn, Lorne, Harmony, Connor
Buffy Numbers: Two dead regulars (that's it!), Tara and Anya. Both female. so 2/5 girls died and 0/6 boys died (why does it surprise me that there are more male regulars than female regulars in that cast?) Oh, except that Spike died too (sure he came back in Angel, but counting that is totally unfair), so make that 2/5 and 1/6. More girl-death than boy-death, obviously.
Angel Numbers: Five deaths counting Gunn, 3 boys and 2 girls. so 3/6 for guys and 2/3 for girls. Again, female regulars die at a higher rate than male (and both groups die at a higher rate than in Buffy, fittingly.)
These numbers ignore recurring characters of high emotional impact and popularity (Jenny, Joyce, Lindsay, Lilah, Darla, Jasmine, Ben, Warren, Jonathan, Andrew, Harmony-in-Buffy, and so forth) because I'm lazy and Strega will probably give us better numbers tomorrow.
I still say it's all about emotional impact.
§ ita § - Sep 01, 2004 8:26:34 pm PDT #8868 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Gunn's not dead. Gunn's dying, but he's not dead.
Gris - Sep 01, 2004 8:30:45 pm PDT #8869 of 10001
Hey. New board.
Okay. By ita's rules, 2/6 for boys and 2/3 for girls in Angel. So girl regulars die at twice the rate.
DebetEsse - Sep 01, 2004 8:31:56 pm PDT #8870 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Wasn't Lilah in the credits at one point?
P.M. Marc - Sep 01, 2004 8:33:29 pm PDT #8871 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I find that I'm much more prone to, be it TV or comics, get crankier about qualitative stuff regarding deaths than quantitative. Thus the mild displeasure about how AtS handled the girl deaths. They tended to die as victims, and that sits a little ill.
P.M. Marc - Sep 01, 2004 8:33:57 pm PDT #8872 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Wasn't Lilah in the credits at one point?
Nope.
Gris - Sep 01, 2004 8:34:32 pm PDT #8873 of 10001
Hey. New board.
I don't believe so. I don't think they ever put a villain in the credits. In either show, actually. And Lilah was always evil, even when sympathetically so.
P.M. Marc - Sep 01, 2004 8:35:25 pm PDT #8874 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I don't believe so. I don't think they ever put a villain in the credits. In either show, actually. And Lilah was always evil, even when sympathetically so.
Harmony. Who was always evil, even when sympathetically so.
Gris - Sep 01, 2004 8:37:40 pm PDT #8875 of 10001
Hey. New board.
Harmony. Who was always evil, even when sympathetically so.Point. And, had Buffy ended at Season 5, I don't think you could make a point against using these same words for Spike.
Remove evil, then, and replace back with "villain." Because, well, Harmony wasn't a villain on Angel. As, in my opinion, villain means "evil and not sympathetically so."