Wasn't Lilah in the credits at one point?
Angel: I can stay in town as long as you want me. Buffy: How's forever? Does forever work for you?
'Lies My Parents Told Me'
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DebetEsse - Sep 01, 2004 8:31:56 pm PDT #8870 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
P.M. Marc - Sep 01, 2004 8:33:29 pm PDT #8871 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I find that I'm much more prone to, be it TV or comics, get crankier about qualitative stuff regarding deaths than quantitative. Thus the mild displeasure about how AtS handled the girl deaths. They tended to die as victims, and that sits a little ill.
P.M. Marc - Sep 01, 2004 8:33:57 pm PDT #8872 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Wasn't Lilah in the credits at one point?
Nope.
Gris - Sep 01, 2004 8:34:32 pm PDT #8873 of 10001
Hey. New board.
I don't believe so. I don't think they ever put a villain in the credits. In either show, actually. And Lilah was always evil, even when sympathetically so.
P.M. Marc - Sep 01, 2004 8:35:25 pm PDT #8874 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I don't believe so. I don't think they ever put a villain in the credits. In either show, actually. And Lilah was always evil, even when sympathetically so.
Harmony. Who was always evil, even when sympathetically so.
Gris - Sep 01, 2004 8:37:40 pm PDT #8875 of 10001
Hey. New board.
Harmony. Who was always evil, even when sympathetically so.Point. And, had Buffy ended at Season 5, I don't think you could make a point against using these same words for Spike.
Remove evil, then, and replace back with "villain." Because, well, Harmony wasn't a villain on Angel. As, in my opinion, villain means "evil and not sympathetically so."
DebetEsse - Sep 01, 2004 8:38:46 pm PDT #8876 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Huh. Ok.
And I'm very much with Plei (although having multiple types of data is good).
P.M. Marc - Sep 01, 2004 8:39:33 pm PDT #8877 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Because, well, Harmony wasn't a villain on Angel. As, in my opinion, villain means "evil and not sympathetically so."
Well, she did kind of pull a Judas on them all there at the end.
§ ita § - Sep 01, 2004 8:40:34 pm PDT #8878 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
As, in my opinion, villain means "evil and not sympathetically so."
Does sympathy mean you want them to win, or that you feel with them? I felt with Faith when she was a villain, and I kinda felt with the Mayor. I didn't want them to win, exactly, because end of the world and peril to Oz, but still.
Gris - Sep 01, 2004 8:49:42 pm PDT #8879 of 10001
Hey. New board.
Maybe I mean simply that they (villains) actively oppose the protagonist. Harmony was too flighty to actively oppose Angel, and mostly she helped him along. I mean, sure, betrayal, but Evil Cordy was in there as well, and I don't think that her brief turn as villain makes Cordy in my mind a villain. Or Willow. Or Angel (and his was scary).
Now that I look at it, I have a pretty narrow definition of villain for a show this complex, with so many good guys turning bad and so many bad guys turning good. I mean, I wouldn't see Faith as a villain, even when she was for more episodes than she wasn't. But the Mayor obviously was a villain, even in his beautiful father-figureness.
I still stand by "Lilah pure villain in Angel. Nobody regular who I have that simple opinion of. Uggh I cave-man."