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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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ted r - Jun 05, 2004 9:08:12 am PDT #8285 of 10001
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein

(Do I actually really sit this alone in the "I really like Dawn" corner?)

I'm with you.

The Czech monks really screwed Buffy over.

I agree-and I kind of like that they did, as it fits in very well with the whole ethical grayness of the Buffyverse. As with Angel's behavior in Season 5, or Giles in The Gift, the monks were willing to do harm to prevent a greater harm.


Connie Neil - Jun 05, 2004 2:11:53 pm PDT #8286 of 10001
brillig

But the first four seasons did happen the way they did. It's just that no one remembers it that way. All this insertion of Dawn into the story is just looking at fake memories.


Katie M - Jun 05, 2004 3:43:52 pm PDT #8287 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

But the first four seasons did happen the way they did. It's just that no one remembers it that way. All this insertion of Dawn into the story is just looking at fake memories.

I still find it distancing to remember things differently from the characters--at least in a situation where a) no one's got the memories I do and b) the story doesn't problematize this at all. (The Connor-forgetting in "Home" doesn't bug me the same way, for instance.)


ted r - Jun 05, 2004 4:16:49 pm PDT #8288 of 10001
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein

ted r - Jun 05, 2004 4:16:53 pm PDT #8289 of 10001
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein

But the first four seasons did happen the way they did. It's just that no one remembers it that way. All this insertion of Dawn into the story is just looking at fake memories.

True.

But I think it is a cool idea to do the animated series from the pov of the altered memories.


RobertH - Jun 05, 2004 5:54:31 pm PDT #8290 of 10001
Disaffected college student

If the animated series ever actually happens for real, I'll probably just end up hoping it turns into something like an anthology, skipping here and there around the Buffyverse.


SailAweigh - Jun 06, 2004 7:31:53 am PDT #8291 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I have no problem with watching early Buffy with Dawn. It's not as if what happened never happened in the first four seasons, we just never saw what was happening to Dawn. Nothing that Dawn did was pivotal, or if it was, it would be a good way to explain some of the asspulls from earlier seasons. It's not like she was necessary to stop any of the apocalypses. At the most, her presence (or lack of it) would be like an unfilmed "Zeppo" episode. I say, bring it on.


DavidS - Jun 06, 2004 7:45:30 am PDT #8292 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

(Do I actually really sit this alone in the "I really like Dawn" corner?)

I really liked the Dawn that they tried to create in the shooting scripts, but who kept getting cut for time out of the final aired episodes. She was snarky and proto-goth morbid with a kind of gleeful, somewhat violent (like Fred) streak.


SailAweigh - Jun 06, 2004 8:57:05 am PDT #8293 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

She was snarky and proto-goth morbid with a kind of gleeful, somewhat violent (like Fred) streak.

Heh, she liked to listen to Spike's stories, didn't she? She would have been totally "go, you" if he'd been able to finish the coal bin story properly.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 06, 2004 9:47:32 am PDT #8294 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Well yeah, IsThisBlood?Dawn and DoYouReallyThinkI'mAfraidOfYouBecauseYou'reTheSlayer?Dawn showed a fair amount of promise. Unfortunately, we got about 60 episodes of GetOutGetOut!GETOUT!Dawn to go along with those brief glimmers.