Spike: Or maybe Captain Forehead was feeling a little less special. Didn't like me crashing his exclusive club, another vampire with a soul in the world. Angel: You're not in the world, Casper.

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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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JohnSweden - May 13, 2004 6:14:20 am PDT #8078 of 10001
I can't even.

A guy who opens doors for women is auto-"genuine"? What is this, 1686?

What is this? Big Lie-Speak for something that stopped being expected practice in the last 25 years?

it is always nice to know someone is paying attention to someone other than themselves

This. Enough people seem incapable of sharing a sidewalk with the other humahhns, that politeness seems strange these days.


Polter-Cow - May 13, 2004 6:15:23 am PDT #8079 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Enough people seem incapable of sharing a sidewalk with the other humahhns, that politeness seems strange these days.

Yes. It is pointless, and annoying.

(I didn't mean politeness, but the lack thereof.)


Lee - May 13, 2004 6:17:34 am PDT #8080 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Never mind, P-C clarified.


Bishop - May 13, 2004 6:20:27 am PDT #8081 of 10001
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What is this? Big Lie-Speak for something that stopped being expected practice in the last 25 years?

I don't even know what that means.

But I'll take my confusion as a point to clarify: When you're walking through a door, you hold the door open for the person behind you, whatever... great.

But when you get in a situation like opening the car door for someone... which necessitates jumping out of your side of the car and jogging around or running up to the car and opening it... it seems to me we're regressing. Where's the self-independence and the advances of the femininist movement over past decades? It's all powdered wigs and carriages, suddenly. What up.

And I complain because I've seen this attitude before in a much smarmier way than SMG was putting it. I.E. the "I expect people to open doors for me" mentality. Yes, and I expect you to have arms.


§ ita § - May 13, 2004 6:54:24 am PDT #8082 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

it is always nice to know someone is paying attention to someone other than themselves. For me, this is true for anyone, male, female, romantic interest or otherwise.

The number of times I've had to either deal with feeling like I'm holding up the door-opener, or sprint to make sure I don't, I don't see an automatic upside.

If they're near and I'm going to have difficulty with the door -- much appreciated. As is checking to make sure the timing of not holding it open for me doesn't mean it's shutting right in my face.


Lee - May 13, 2004 6:57:11 am PDT #8083 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Yep, ita, I was assuming that you were walking with, or near someone. I don't see the point if someone is far enough away that the door won't hit them, unless their hands are full.


§ ita § - May 13, 2004 6:59:10 am PDT #8084 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If you're that close to someone, you pretty much have to keep holding it open, because the alternative turns to active rudeness.

If, however, you make a point of getting to the door first Every Single Time when you're walking with me, I also find it annoying. If you're there first, please keep it open. If you're not, I will do the same.


JohnSweden - May 13, 2004 7:01:37 am PDT #8085 of 10001
I can't even.

It's all powdered wigs and carriages, suddenly. What up.

This was my objection. You don't need to be in a powdered wig or a carriage to have been raised to believe that you open doors for women. I wasn't raised that way. I'm an equal-opportunity door opener/holder, but there are actual living people who live/d like this. They didn't wear dinosaur skins with their wigs and carriages. SMG and FPJ's behaviour towards each other is not something from the 17th century, that's where your exaggeration is "big lie".


Connie Neil - May 13, 2004 7:01:52 am PDT #8086 of 10001
brillig

Hubby was well-trained to open doors for women. He gets very annoyed when I try to hold the door for him, even when he's on crutches, but sometimes he just has to let me do it for him. He prefers to try to open the door for me even when he's on crutches, and I've learned to find a reason to check my purse for something if I outdistance him to the door so he can open it. It's a combination of "I'm not that crippled up, dammit" and "I'm supposed to open that door, dammit." Yeah, there's a lot of pigheadedness involved. Still, I've been with him for 20 years, I can cut him a few breaks.


dcp - May 13, 2004 7:04:32 am PDT #8087 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

How do you handle airlock-style double doors? If I'm first through the first door I usually hold the second door. Then people look at me funny.