And the magic-as-crack thing was such a mistake. It was needless - Willow's insecurity and thus need to feel powerful, arrogance about magic and capacity for selfdestructive anger when she's upset are deep, established character points as far back as season 3. It's totally in character that she'd overuse magic when life got hard, and that she'd go off the deep end with it in extremis.

I have this theory, and I may be off-base here, but that people who have been or have people very close to them who have been clinically depressed tend to like S6 better than those of us who haven't been through that sort of thing.

See, with a couple of other people, knowing people with clinical depression is one of the reasons I didn't like season 6. In my case, it's because of the intense desire to bitchslap most of the characters. It's particularly apparent on the financial episode. Willow and co have used most of Joyce's money and now they're broke and dumping it all on her. There is no way she should have been expected to look after her sister, continue slaying and earn a living, whilst suffering from clinical depression. That's not your standard 'pressures of growing up', that's just ridiculous.

And yeah, I know things very like that happen to people with depression in real life, but -

Here's the thing. It's like Lyta on Babylon 5. In the third season she gets screwed over, by the good guys, for no good reason. And then nobody ever mentions it again. Even when they're discussing potential reasons she might be seriously angry. She never yells at them for it, they never think about it, it just disappears.

And that's one of the reasons I really dislike season 6. Things like whta was done to Buffy and the spell Willow cast on Tara just disappear. (That's an exaggeration, both of those things have some reprecussions, just what seem to me to be tiny ones) I have huge emotional reactions and am really invested in what they show on screen, and then they just leave it. No closure. Which drives me so nuts I have to write long rants about it. And it then becomes very difficult to watch the episodes again, when I know, none of the stuff that's setup will pay off.

They had me with the title. I never saw the film, but I remember even back thenm laughing with delight at the title. In the early days I always used to think that if you couldn't see why it was a truly inspired title, you probably wouldn't like the show...

I watched it from WttH (and I liked it) but they didn't really have me until "Angel" when Buffy's cross burned into Angel's chest. I was such a BUFFYNANGLE4EVAH!!! girl back then.

I think it's a fairly accurate theory about the people who watched BtVS from the beginning and who disliked S6 and S7. It wasn't so much that they were bad (although they were) but also, the tone was so different. There was less wit after "Tabula Rasa" and everything got so heavyhanded.

And, although this is contradictory to what I said upthread, I do get upset when people (including ME writers) try to blame some of S6's fan reaction on the fact that it was 'dark' and some people couldn't handle it. Yes, it was dark. But, jesus, what the hell was S2 if not dark? The difference is that the writing was better in S2 and the tragic events were cathartic, not merely depressing.

I've watched from the start and S6 is my favourite behind S3.

Yes, it was dark. But, jesus, what the hell was S2 if not dark? The difference is that the writing was better in S2 and the tragic events were cathartic, not merely depressing.

What Maysa said.

I found S6 compelling, but also a bit uncomfortable because it reminded me of times I left behind.

I am Jill, but I was still overwhelmed with life when I watched S6 - maybe that's why it resonated with me.

As to S7, there were parts I loved ( Lies My Parents Told Me among others, but the potentials were just so annoying. I did love Andrew though.

Despite my attachment to S6, I think S2 is by far my favorite. Joss had me at Innocence. All I could think was "That poor girl will never get over this"

So for me, I think it is

S2 S3 S6 S4 S1 S5 S7

Also, Christ is Dawn annoying.

I read this entirely wrong. As in, "Christ is Dawn-level-annoying."

In reality, Christ is merely Episode One bored.

And, although this is contradictory to what I said upthread, I do get upset when people (including ME writers) try to blame some of S6's fan reaction on the fact that it was 'dark' and some people couldn't handle it. Yes, it was dark. But, jesus, what the hell was S2 if not dark? The difference is that the writing was better in S2 and the tragic events were cathartic, not merely depressing.

Yes, this. I can enjoy the dark, but I like my darkness cathartic, and a bit on the epic Shakespearean tragedy side. S6 just felt like endless dismal wallowing to me, and I couldn't relate to it at all. This despite the fact it came right after I'd dealt with major depression in someone close to me and mild depression of my own. But I've talked at length in the past about why I couldn't even figure out where they were going with S6 until well after the fact, and how that impacted my reaction to it, so I'll spare everyone the discussion of How I Spent My Early 20's and How Different My Issues Are From Buffy's.

(I'm in the midst of catching up on all the threads now that we have, for the moment, figured out Annabel's eating and sleeping needs. I'm glad I decided to read all 300 posts in this one instead of just hitting the "Last" button. This is a wonderful discussion, and with all the differences of opinion, still a reminder of why I love BtVS so much.)

I don't think of S6 as a How Do You Like My Darkness Now litmus test.

I like it because I really like Willow's arc, and the magic!Crack didn't bug me much. Just viewed it as Willow/Scoobies groping for some metaphor to explain something well beyond any of their experience.

Also it's the season where I like Buffy the most since S2.

In S2, Buffy tells Angel that when there's nothing left, "there's me". (rough paraphrase). I think by S6, she wouldn't say that anymore. I've been rewatching the 2nd half of S2 today and it hit me that at this point, she still believes in herself, but that's gone in S6.

I haven't quite put my finger on why I like S6 so much, but that's part of it.