S6 was the first time I really liked Buffy. None of the other dumb things she normally did rang any bells for me.
She was so hollow and broken and systematically down that I felt for her.
We can come by between classes. Usually I use that time to copy over my class notes with a system of different colored pens. But it's been pointed out to me that that's, you know...insane.
Willow ,'Showtime'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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§ ita § - Apr 25, 2004 4:00:11 pm PDT #7798 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Susan W. - Apr 25, 2004 4:49:38 pm PDT #7799 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
Hmm. What Nonian described is why I like S2 so much better than S6. I love that "Me."
(Aside that belongs as much in Great Write as here--for the first 2-3 chapters of my current project, one of my protagonists is stuck in a nigh-unbearable situation, which she thinks she'll be in for the rest of her life. I'm mining personal experience heavily, from back when I thought I'd ruined any chance of ever having a happy, fulfilling, and respectable career. But I find myself reading what I've written, and worrying that even 3 chapters of "I made one stupid choice and now my life is ruined forever, so I will quietly and stoically wallow in misery" will be too much for my readers to bear. Which the S6 discussion is reminding me of.)
P.M. Marc - Apr 25, 2004 4:56:06 pm PDT #7800 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Only vaguely apropos of the discussion, I'm seriously (or as seriously as I consider anything, mind you) considering writing a half-assed essay looking at S5/6 as a critique of the state of mental health care and knowledge in this country.
(Where we start by looking at the actual factual suicidal dive followed by the resurrection as a metaphor for suicide attempts/hospitalization/release. It works really well up through Normal Again, actually. I've got this whole thing about the scene where Spike doesn't stay to make sure she takes her meds worked out in my head.)
(I think I need a hobby.)
OtherKate - Apr 25, 2004 5:23:46 pm PDT #7801 of 10001
This heart ain't gonna cut itself out
But, this is an acceptable hobby!
Isn't it?
Susan W. - Apr 25, 2004 5:41:22 pm PDT #7802 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
I'd love to read that essay, Plei.
And it might even inspire me to actually to write the half-assed theological essay using Angel and Spike's ensoulments as metaphors for various theories of free will vs. divine election.
P.M. Marc - Apr 25, 2004 5:51:27 pm PDT #7803 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
And it might even inspire me to actually to write the half-assed theological essay using Angel and Spike's ensoulments as metaphors for various theories of free will vs. divine election.
I vaguely recall at some point comparing Spike to a Lutheran POV of salvation, where Angel's head space was (natch) Catholic. Grace vs. Works.
But, this is an acceptable hobby!
That's all the validation I need...
Glamcookie - Apr 25, 2004 6:13:28 pm PDT #7804 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
Buffy: 5, 3, 4, 2, 6, 1, 7
Angel: 4, 2, 1, 3
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Susan W. - Apr 25, 2004 6:38:17 pm PDT #7805 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
See, while Angel-the-character is very Catholic, in my scheme, his salvation is Calvinistic, since the soul was something imposed upon him without any choice on his part. Spike, OTOH, got a Wesleyan salvation--he couldn't actually redeem himself without a soul, but he took the first step of seeking one.
Gris - Apr 25, 2004 9:04:55 pm PDT #7806 of 10001
Hey. New board.
Gloom: Your rankings are much like mine, at least in Buffy.
Buffy: 5 3 (6 4 2) 1 7
Allan Lang - Apr 26, 2004 3:03:48 am PDT #7807 of 10001
'And on that tragic day, an era came to its inevitable end.'
That's all there is.
Watch from the beginning 3 step love Joyce's "Honey, try not to get kicked out" . Flutie's "Whoa!", Willow's "Not legally".
Seasons 3: best arc from the beginning, even development without a misstep, every episode matters, and Richard Wilkins III
2 good arc best finish, a couple of marking time episodes
4. I liked Riley and the Inititive 'K? overall arc below 3 and 2 but some great best. episodes. ever. Pangs, Something Blue, Hush, Restless
1. still finding it's feet, as yet merely the best TV show running, and they were all so young and full of hope. poor things, they had no idea what was in store.
6. I like it. It had some great episodes. but still rank it low from lost promise. It went off rails "Smashed, Racked, Gone, Double meat" mid season, but it was still Willow's season. Started so well Killing Bambi, and her "I'm telling you nothing will go wrong" response to Xander's "What if something goes wrong?" (That's not answering the question Will - but I think you knew that) and flaying Warren Mears "water cooler vengeance"
5. peaks were a little lower than other seasons , but death was her gift
7. Again started and finished well, but after Selfless and Conversations the depression in the middle was so wide. PLus why did none of them say "Just who are you and what have you done with Giles"?