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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Maysa - Apr 23, 2004 1:31:17 pm PDT #7790 of 10001

They had me with the title. I never saw the film, but I remember even back thenm laughing with delight at the title. In the early days I always used to think that if you couldn't see why it was a truly inspired title, you probably wouldn't like the show...

I watched it from WttH (and I liked it) but they didn't really have me until "Angel" when Buffy's cross burned into Angel's chest. I was such a BUFFYNANGLE4EVAH!!! girl back then.

I think it's a fairly accurate theory about the people who watched BtVS from the beginning and who disliked S6 and S7. It wasn't so much that they were bad (although they were) but also, the tone was so different. There was less wit after "Tabula Rasa" and everything got so heavyhanded.

And, although this is contradictory to what I said upthread, I do get upset when people (including ME writers) try to blame some of S6's fan reaction on the fact that it was 'dark' and some people couldn't handle it. Yes, it was dark. But, jesus, what the hell was S2 if not dark? The difference is that the writing was better in S2 and the tragic events were cathartic, not merely depressing.


UTTAD - Apr 23, 2004 1:39:18 pm PDT #7791 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.

I've watched from the start and S6 is my favourite behind S3.


helentm - Apr 23, 2004 3:25:15 pm PDT #7792 of 10001
Religion isn't the cause of wars. It's the excuse. - Christopher Brookmyre

Yes, it was dark. But, jesus, what the hell was S2 if not dark? The difference is that the writing was better in S2 and the tragic events were cathartic, not merely depressing.

What Maysa said.


Stephanie - Apr 23, 2004 3:29:39 pm PDT #7793 of 10001
Trust my rage

I found S6 compelling, but also a bit uncomfortable because it reminded me of times I left behind.

I am Jill, but I was still overwhelmed with life when I watched S6 - maybe that's why it resonated with me.

As to S7, there were parts I loved ( Lies My Parents Told Me among others, but the potentials were just so annoying. I did love Andrew though.

Despite my attachment to S6, I think S2 is by far my favorite. Joss had me at Innocence. All I could think was "That poor girl will never get over this"

So for me, I think it is

S2 S3 S6 S4 S1 S5 S7


RobertH - Apr 23, 2004 8:15:35 pm PDT #7794 of 10001
Disaffected college student

Also, Christ is Dawn annoying.

I read this entirely wrong. As in, "Christ is Dawn-level-annoying."

In reality, Christ is merely Episode One bored.


Susan W. - Apr 25, 2004 2:38:09 pm PDT #7795 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

And, although this is contradictory to what I said upthread, I do get upset when people (including ME writers) try to blame some of S6's fan reaction on the fact that it was 'dark' and some people couldn't handle it. Yes, it was dark. But, jesus, what the hell was S2 if not dark? The difference is that the writing was better in S2 and the tragic events were cathartic, not merely depressing.

Yes, this. I can enjoy the dark, but I like my darkness cathartic, and a bit on the epic Shakespearean tragedy side. S6 just felt like endless dismal wallowing to me, and I couldn't relate to it at all. This despite the fact it came right after I'd dealt with major depression in someone close to me and mild depression of my own. But I've talked at length in the past about why I couldn't even figure out where they were going with S6 until well after the fact, and how that impacted my reaction to it, so I'll spare everyone the discussion of How I Spent My Early 20's and How Different My Issues Are From Buffy's.

(I'm in the midst of catching up on all the threads now that we have, for the moment, figured out Annabel's eating and sleeping needs. I'm glad I decided to read all 300 posts in this one instead of just hitting the "Last" button. This is a wonderful discussion, and with all the differences of opinion, still a reminder of why I love BtVS so much.)


DavidS - Apr 25, 2004 3:26:49 pm PDT #7796 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I don't think of S6 as a How Do You Like My Darkness Now litmus test.

I like it because I really like Willow's arc, and the magic!Crack didn't bug me much. Just viewed it as Willow/Scoobies groping for some metaphor to explain something well beyond any of their experience.

Also it's the season where I like Buffy the most since S2.


Stephanie - Apr 25, 2004 3:55:41 pm PDT #7797 of 10001
Trust my rage

In S2, Buffy tells Angel that when there's nothing left, "there's me". (rough paraphrase). I think by S6, she wouldn't say that anymore. I've been rewatching the 2nd half of S2 today and it hit me that at this point, she still believes in herself, but that's gone in S6.

I haven't quite put my finger on why I like S6 so much, but that's part of it.


§ ita § - Apr 25, 2004 4:00:11 pm PDT #7798 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

S6 was the first time I really liked Buffy. None of the other dumb things she normally did rang any bells for me.

She was so hollow and broken and systematically down that I felt for her.


Susan W. - Apr 25, 2004 4:49:38 pm PDT #7799 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Hmm. What Nonian described is why I like S2 so much better than S6. I love that "Me."

(Aside that belongs as much in Great Write as here--for the first 2-3 chapters of my current project, one of my protagonists is stuck in a nigh-unbearable situation, which she thinks she'll be in for the rest of her life. I'm mining personal experience heavily, from back when I thought I'd ruined any chance of ever having a happy, fulfilling, and respectable career. But I find myself reading what I've written, and worrying that even 3 chapters of "I made one stupid choice and now my life is ruined forever, so I will quietly and stoically wallow in misery" will be too much for my readers to bear. Which the S6 discussion is reminding me of.)