Matt, but then you miss "Storyteller." Which may have been the last Great Buffy Ep.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer is my favorite TV show, ever. In fact, I can't even imagine a day when it won't be my favorite show. That's said, it wasn't flawless.

This would look kick ass on a t-shirt. And I appreciate being able to honestly discuss the best and the worst of BtVS without it turning into a flame war.

Let Xander do...something

This was a huge beef for me in S7. Xander is such a cherished character for me and to see him banished to the background was very disappointing. I am sure the idea was to have all the core scoobies appear in the series finale, but honestly, I wish they would have put Xander *out of his misery and just had the balls to kill him off instead of poking his eye out.*

With the cancellation of Angel (and really, I don't have my money on getting it moved to a different network) some folks here and other places have lamented that this is the end of the Buffyverse. I honestly don't feel like it is. Maybe I'm in denial, but I think there are stories left to tell in film and TV.

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Mariposa, the full 144 episodes of BtVS can be discussed in here without spoiler font. The only thing you have to be careful of is discussion of current series. For instance you can't compare something on Buffy to something from this season of Angel, unless the Angel stuff is white fonted. In fact, I think we try to avoid talking about the current season of Angel in here at all.

It's a little confusing, because this thread was once a NAFDA thread. You're safe discussing all of BtVS in here.

Fred, missing "Storyteller" would so not be a problem for me. In my memory, it's divided into "funny teaser sequence with Faith fighting Mr. Spock" and "40 minutes of Andrewcentric crap."

Thanks for the heads up, Cindy. I white fonted in an abundance of caution because I'm still pretty newish to these parts. I had recently been visited by the stompies because I mentioned something from the current season of Angel without spoiler font. I'll get the hang of it sooner or later. :-)

I had recently been visited by the stompies because I mentioned something from the current season of Angel without spoiler font.

Just think of us as fairies in platform Mary Janes.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, Cindy. The Big Bad actually seemed sinister in the first three episodes, but there's only so long you can drag it out. Glory was the other villian who suffered massively from being a)overpowered and b)introduced too early. They really needed a better reason for her not doing more.

Honestly, though, for me the rot had set in. No matter how much better season 7 could have been, it would still have been building off the second half of season 6, and I'm not sure there was a way to fix all the stuff in that.

Thanks for the heads up, Cindy. I white fonted in an abundance of caution because I'm still pretty newish to these parts. I had recently been visited by the stompies because I mentioned something from the current season of Angel without spoiler font. I'll get the hang of it sooner or later. :-)

You're welcome. Actually it brought up that we needed to modify the thread description (visible at the top of the first page of this thread).

Oh yeah, speaking of untied threads, they never did say where the talisman in the season 7 premiere came from, did they?

This is the thing that bugs me as much as anything. All of sudden we had a red tide of red herring in S7. And none of them fucking panned out as interesting. Or even necessarily coherent. It was cheap.

WROD.

Oh yeah, speaking of untied threads, they never did say where the talisman in the season 7 premiere came from, did they?

What bothered me more than the hanging plot threads, were the hanging character threads. I didn't enjoy S6, but they took a lot of very risky character chances that year, only to completely ignore them in S7. Oh, they addressed the PLOT of S6, but they never, ever addressed character development.

They break up Anya and Xander for very interesting reasons that hint at flaws and problems ingrained in the characters. Then they explore it a bit in "Selfless" and then it's never addressed again. There was so freakin' much they could have done with both Xander and Anya and we got nothing.

Willow's "character development" consisted almost solely of one extremely boring affair with Kennedy. Buffy got to make a lot of speeches and apparently not only forgave Spike for attacking her, but also seemed to have no lingering issues about it after a few episodes. And Giles got to have the lamest subplot in ME history. It's so sad when you've got an actor like ASH, and all you can come up for him to do is to act distant and not touch things.

I watched Storyteller a little while ago, and I was amazed at something I didn't notice when it first aired. (I'm sure everyone here already picked up on this.) Buffy is the storyteller. She hates Andrew so much, because everything he says reminds her of the lies she's telling these people all the time. I think the reason I didn't notice this then (besides the fact that I'm slow) is that the rest of the season gave no indication of this kind of layering to Buffy's character. God, it was just a shallow mess.