Riley: No pulse. Anya: Yup. The space lamb got 'im.

'Never Leave Me'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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DavidS - Apr 14, 2004 12:06:54 pm PDT #7586 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

She likes the quiet.


P.M. Marc - Apr 14, 2004 12:08:14 pm PDT #7587 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Road not taken

Thank the lord for that.

Seriously, the meta issues would have made my rage on something wicked huge.


DavidS - Apr 14, 2004 12:08:47 pm PDT #7588 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

SMG looks REALLY skinny in the last pic. I know it's a matter of contrast, but ... wow.

She always lost weight during the course of the season. She's small to begin with and that schedule always wore her down and she's usually drastically skinnier in the season finale than she was in the opener.


DavidS - Apr 14, 2004 12:09:30 pm PDT #7589 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Seriously, the meta issues would have made my rage on something wicked huge.

racks brain for meta issues, looks quizzically at Ple?


P.M. Marc - Apr 14, 2004 12:11:09 pm PDT #7590 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

racks brain for meta issues, looks quizzically at Ple?

Xander as avatar of Joss, getting the girl, in the end.

Thus reducing seven years of story telling to masturbatory fantasy.

In my head.

And there's no way of fixing that.

Brave, the not going there thing.

So glad they didn't.


DavidS - Apr 14, 2004 12:13:05 pm PDT #7591 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Xander as avatar of Joss, getting the girl, in the end.

Huh. I felt like Joss abandoned Xander as his avatar some time around S4 when their respective life paths diverged so broadly. (Joss having little experience with construction work, and being all college educated.)

But I think Joss' sort of sentimental affection for Xander kept him from developing the character the way he should have, or taking chances with the character.

Besides, Wash/Zoe is TheGirl/Joss all married up and that worked out okay.


P.M. Marc - Apr 14, 2004 12:14:32 pm PDT #7592 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

He still started off that way, which is why I say there's nothing anyone could do to change my mind 'bout that issue.


P.M. Marc - Apr 14, 2004 12:15:23 pm PDT #7593 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Besides, Wash/Zoe is TheGirl/Joss all married up and that worked out okay.

Started that way, therefore, all is good.

Not seven years of men bad for Zoe before she realized "Oh! Dang, I should have been with Wash all along!"


Topic!Cindy - Apr 14, 2004 12:16:41 pm PDT #7594 of 10001
What is even happening?

But I think Joss' sort of sentimental affection for Xander kept him from developing the character the way he should have, or taking chances with the character.

Yes, this. But I wouldn't have found it ... Jossturbatory if they'd gone X/B. I think it was better that they didn't. S7 was a funny one. I like the overall narrative, but the execution was so disappointing, in so many places.


§ ita § - Apr 14, 2004 12:19:07 pm PDT #7595 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

For me it would have been disappointing if Buffy had ended the series in a relationship with anyone.

I don't see a required "it should have been this way all along!" or "finally!" in the idea of X and B ending up together, whether or not he's still a Jossian avatar. Plenty of other tones to give it.

Except Buffy needed to be single and new.