He still started off that way, which is why I say there's nothing anyone could do to change my mind 'bout that issue.
And don't you ever stand for that sort of thing. Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back! ... You got the right same as anyone to live and try to kill people.
Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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P.M. Marc - Apr 14, 2004 12:14:32 pm PDT #7592 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
P.M. Marc - Apr 14, 2004 12:15:23 pm PDT #7593 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Besides, Wash/Zoe is TheGirl/Joss all married up and that worked out okay.
Started that way, therefore, all is good.
Not seven years of men bad for Zoe before she realized "Oh! Dang, I should have been with Wash all along!"
Topic!Cindy - Apr 14, 2004 12:16:41 pm PDT #7594 of 10001
What is even happening?
But I think Joss' sort of sentimental affection for Xander kept him from developing the character the way he should have, or taking chances with the character.
Yes, this. But I wouldn't have found it ... Jossturbatory if they'd gone X/B. I think it was better that they didn't. S7 was a funny one. I like the overall narrative, but the execution was so disappointing, in so many places.
§ ita § - Apr 14, 2004 12:19:07 pm PDT #7595 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
For me it would have been disappointing if Buffy had ended the series in a relationship with anyone.
I don't see a required "it should have been this way all along!" or "finally!" in the idea of X and B ending up together, whether or not he's still a Jossian avatar. Plenty of other tones to give it.
Except Buffy needed to be single and new.
DavidS - Apr 14, 2004 12:19:28 pm PDT #7596 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
DavidS - Apr 14, 2004 12:21:32 pm PDT #7597 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
For me it would have been disappointing if Buffy had ended the series in a relationship with anyone.
That was my opinion in the spoiler thread that year. "Just don't define Buffy by a boyfriend choice." And I'm fine with where they went. I'm mostly just lamenting the lack of any meaty Xander storylines after S4.
Retroactively, I've come around to resent Spike more now than when the show was on. I would've liked more Xander and Giles time. But then again, they wasted Giles in S4 as it was.
P.M. Marc - Apr 14, 2004 12:21:39 pm PDT #7598 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Except Buffy needed to be single and new.
There's that, too.
It's an axe, dammit!
It just looks like one.
§ ita § - Apr 14, 2004 12:24:12 pm PDT #7599 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I would've liked more Xander and Giles time
I think Spike may have cost Xander time, but not Giles. They fucked him over just 'puz.
And at least they had an idea for Spike, even though I felt it got awful boring after a while. They didn't even bother to try and fail with Xander, once the wedding fell through.
Sassy - Apr 14, 2004 12:26:23 pm PDT #7600 of 10001
'Til we dance away...
All the word in the world to Ple on the B/X thing.
Plus, my added issue with it is that sometimes there's like an expectation that if the girl doesn't end up with the nice friend guy, she is self destructive or doesn't really want to be happy, etc. Even if Xander was "right" for Buffy, which I don't think that he was, she wasn't necessarily obligated to like him.
sumi - Apr 14, 2004 12:34:54 pm PDT #7601 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
David -- was that mystical writing on that glaive?