Spike: Lots of fuss over one girl. Other things to do around here--important things. Angel: You know that whoosh thing you do when you're suddenly not there anymore? I love that.

'Unleashed'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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DavidS - Dec 07, 2003 8:01:32 pm PST #6759 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Becoming, Restless, Graduation Day, Chosen, Prophecy Girl, Grave, The Gift.

Pretty close to my list, but Grad Day gets docked for use of giant snake which is always a bad idea in the Jossiverse, yet he just couldn't resist.

Joss, next time? Resist the snake.

Also I love Grave very much and would rank it behind Becoming Pt. 2. Though that is in part some of the oomph I got from watching Two to Go.

The Gift is last for me because I knew Buffy was coming back. It's not a bad episode for all that and Joss certainly made her earn her resurrection. But for me it totally undercut her death. Death oughta mean something narratively dammit.

Jean Grey shoulda stayed dead, and so should everybody else who got jerked back into the living and corporeal.


§ ita § - Dec 07, 2003 8:02:43 pm PST #6760 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Joss, next time? Resist the snake.

Joss tosses the Ourobouros Firefly script.


Cindy - Dec 08, 2003 12:03:15 am PST #6761 of 10001
Nobody

Pretty close to my list, but Grad Day gets docked for use of giant snake which is always a bad idea in the Jossiverse, yet he just couldn't resist.

Joss, next time? Resist the snake.

Also I love Grave very much and would rank it behind Becoming Pt. 2.

What about giant snake in Grave?

Oh. Wait. That was a penis temple. Never mind.


Gleebo - Dec 08, 2003 1:05:28 am PST #6762 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

For anyone who cares, if you buy S5 of Buffy at Best Buy you get the movie for free.


DCJensen - Dec 08, 2003 4:09:09 am PST #6763 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Oh. Wait. That was a penis temple. Never mind.

Temples do usually have spires.

However? They seldom have naked women wrapped in snakes for decoration.

At least not in Minnesota.

Okay, maybe not in the Twin cities. Outstate? We'll see.

Any state that has several Paul Bunyans, a huge concrete Otter, A concrete Loon, a 40 ft Viking, a concrete Prairie Chicken, and a huge ball of twine....

Oh, look here...


Frankenbuddha - Dec 08, 2003 4:11:54 am PST #6764 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Joss, next time? Resist the snake

This makes me worry if they ever adapted Fray. He couldn't resist the giant snake there either.

Is Joss trying to tell us something, or is it his unconscious?


Lyra Jane - Dec 08, 2003 4:28:01 am PST #6765 of 10001
Up with the sun

The Gift is last for me because I knew Buffy was coming back. It's not a bad episode for all that and Joss certainly made her earn her resurrection. But for me it totally undercut her death. Death oughta mean something narratively dammit.

This was my reaction, too. It was completely undercut by the fact we knew she *had* to come back, because show no work without Buffy. So it really wasn't even a shocker.

And then they went with the "Willow does a spell" resurrection, which I always thought was the most boring possibility.


Gleebo - Dec 08, 2003 5:44:25 am PST #6766 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

Joss may have been trying to tell us something with all the phallic snake business in Buffy. Subtle HoYay! as compared to that of Angel.


joe boucher - Dec 08, 2003 6:22:34 am PST #6767 of 10001
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

Grad Day gets docked for use of giant snake which is always a bad idea in the Jossiverse

I'm willing to give him a pass (mostly) on the giant snake because I just loved loved loved the Mayor/Harry Groener. "The Gift" on the other hand, had a crappy build up and a crappy resolution ("It's all Summers' blood" my ass) & therefore gets cut no slack. Loved the gravestone, but that lost most of its zing since we knew the show was moving to UPN & the chances of it doing so w/o the lead character were roughly... oh, ZERO.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 08, 2003 7:50:38 am PST #6768 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Joss may have been trying to tell us something with all the phallic snake business in Buffy. Subtle HoYay! as compared to that of Angel.

Well, y'know, eponymous main character a girl, so appearance of phallic symbols not necessarily indicative of HoYay!.

Now Angel repeatedly getting penetrated by wood, I got no argument against.