Joss, next time? Resist the snake
This makes me worry if they ever adapted Fray. He couldn't resist the giant snake there either.
Is Joss trying to tell us something, or is it his unconscious?
Lorne: Snakes? Uh-huh. And they came out of your what? Okay. Okay, well, did they get up there themselves or is this part of a, you know, a thing? No, I'm not judging...Do we fight snakes? Angel: Only if they're giant. Or demons. Or giant demons. Are they giant demon snakes? Lorne: Well, unless this guy's 30 feet tall, I'm thinking they're of the garden variety.
'Lineage'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Frankenbuddha - Dec 08, 2003 4:11:54 am PST #6764 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Lyra Jane - Dec 08, 2003 4:28:01 am PST #6765 of 10001
Up with the sun
The Gift is last for me because I knew Buffy was coming back. It's not a bad episode for all that and Joss certainly made her earn her resurrection. But for me it totally undercut her death. Death oughta mean something narratively dammit.
This was my reaction, too. It was completely undercut by the fact we knew she *had* to come back, because show no work without Buffy. So it really wasn't even a shocker.
And then they went with the "Willow does a spell" resurrection, which I always thought was the most boring possibility.
Gleebo - Dec 08, 2003 5:44:25 am PST #6766 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs
Joss may have been trying to tell us something with all the phallic snake business in Buffy. Subtle HoYay! as compared to that of Angel.
joe boucher - Dec 08, 2003 6:22:34 am PST #6767 of 10001
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine
Grad Day gets docked for use of giant snake which is always a bad idea in the Jossiverse
I'm willing to give him a pass (mostly) on the giant snake because I just loved loved loved the Mayor/Harry Groener. "The Gift" on the other hand, had a crappy build up and a crappy resolution ("It's all Summers' blood" my ass) & therefore gets cut no slack. Loved the gravestone, but that lost most of its zing since we knew the show was moving to UPN & the chances of it doing so w/o the lead character were roughly... oh, ZERO.
Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 08, 2003 7:50:38 am PST #6768 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Joss may have been trying to tell us something with all the phallic snake business in Buffy. Subtle HoYay! as compared to that of Angel.
Well, y'know, eponymous main character a girl, so appearance of phallic symbols not necessarily indicative of HoYay!.
Now Angel repeatedly getting penetrated by wood, I got no argument against.
DavidS - Dec 08, 2003 8:11:39 am PST #6769 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Now Angel repeatedly getting penetrated by wood, I got no argument against.
Heh. Riley penetrated Spike with plastic. Which, going with this metaphor, makes Riley the lesbian he always claimed he was.
Frankenbuddha - Dec 08, 2003 8:14:08 am PST #6770 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Heh. Riley penetrated Spike with plastic. Which, going with this metaphor, makes Riley the lesbian he always claimed he was.
Cleans water off monitor (I started typing minotor, which would be a VERY different thing).
Glamcookie - Dec 08, 2003 8:14:36 am PST #6771 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
My list: The Gift, Restless, Becoming, Graduation Day, Grave, Chosen, and Prophecy Girl.
Fred Pete - Dec 08, 2003 8:48:26 am PST #6772 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.
Riley penetrated Spike with plastic. Which, going with this metaphor, makes Riley the lesbian he always claimed he was.
Or a believer in safer HoYay!
Sophia Brooks - Dec 08, 2003 8:53:46 am PST #6773 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
The only finales I watched in real time were Restless, Chosen, The Gift and Grave, and I would rate them in that order.
Also, I swear to DOG! that I completely and totally beleived that Buffy was dead dead and that they would continue the show without her. It took me at least a day to realize that that wasn't true. I also thought perhaps SMG would leave the show and Buffy would end up in someone else's body.