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Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


SailAweigh - Dec 07, 2003 9:03:45 am PST #6734 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

From Plei's original epiphany:

It's all about Power, but it's all about letting go of the things that have power over you.

And more recently:

given the time and desire to expand it beyond Buffy herself (and I think can be extended to Xander and Willow, but explicitly *NOT* to Spike, which is a story for another thread)

Sure you can, at least withing the seven seasons of Buffy (S5 AtS not included). At the end of S6 Spike went (supposedly) to seek his soul, because Buffy "made him weak." So he got his soul, his "power", but found out he still was weak. It was still "God help [him], all about you, Buffy." He didn't need to get the soul, he didn't need to get rid of it, he needed to let go of Buffy, because Buffy is who had power over him. Chosen, presumably, was showing him letting go of Buffy. He gave up his childish, high school (we met Spike in high school) things and the power they had over him. He used his power (the amulet) to let go of what had power over him (Buffy).


P.M. Marc - Dec 07, 2003 9:09:03 am PST #6735 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Well, as it's my theory, and I cannot view the character exclusive of the continuing arc, I think Chosen, more than Grave, indicates the beginning of his journey vis a vis letting go, not the end.

But my thoughts on Spike, as I said, belong in another thread.

(I'll hop over to Angel when I get back from a short jaunt to Canada and put them down there. It's all related, which is why I'm very, very insistent about leaving him out for the moment.)

(It's sort of a unified theory of ME.)


SailAweigh - Dec 07, 2003 9:15:46 am PST #6736 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Far be it from me to dissuade you from completing your unified theory. And that's why I excluded S5 AtS. I don't really see that much of what has happened to Spike so far is carrying forward from Chosen. It seems mostly like regression. Hence, I'm very curious to see how you see Spike's journey progressing and how/if it pertains to the "power" theory. Also, how much that might change with future episodes of Angel.


P.M. Marc - Dec 07, 2003 9:16:39 am PST #6737 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'll give you the short answer in Angel now.


Gleebo - Dec 07, 2003 11:08:09 am PST #6738 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

Does anyone else besides me foolishly purchase the Buffy magazine ever other month when it comes out? They had a rating for the Season Finales for each season that was terribly off kilter to my reality.


sj - Dec 07, 2003 11:09:34 am PST #6739 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Does anyone else besides me foolishly purchase the Buffy magazine ever other month when it comes out? They had a rating for the Season Finales for each season that was terribly off kilter to my reality.

I usually purchase it, but I cannot remember how they rated the finales.


Gleebo - Dec 07, 2003 11:10:54 am PST #6740 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

Pathetic, that is how... I gotta go get it from my car to remember.


Gleebo - Dec 07, 2003 11:14:24 am PST #6741 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

Prophecy Girl - B+ Becoming Pt 2 - A - Graduation Day Pt 2 - B + Restless - B The Gift - A Grave - B+ Chosen - A

----- Here's my opinion Prophecy Girl - A- Becoming Pt 2 - A+ Graduation Day Pt 2 - B- Restless - A+++ The Gift - B+ Grave - B- Chosen - A

I guess mine weren't all that different. I just took offense to Restless getting the lowest grade.


sj - Dec 07, 2003 11:18:51 am PST #6742 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I just took offense to Restless getting the lowest grade.

With good reason. That is just insane. Restless is such a brilliant episode.


Gleebo - Dec 07, 2003 11:20:55 am PST #6743 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

Best ever in my book