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Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 02, 2003 4:29:29 pm PDT #4099 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Buffy's didn't when she died the first two times, though, so there's little reason to assume a law of conservation of Slayerhood.

Yeah, but both times she returned as Buffy, not as a demon wearing a Buffy suit. Actually, after her first death she returned amped up in power and possessed of new confidence and certainty of her mission.

Which worked so much better with the early assumption that her destiny as the Chosen One was divine in nature (and thus strengthened by a brief brush with the afterlife/Hero's journey into the Underworld) rather than something randomly bestowed by a swirly demonic cloud.

mikal - Aug 02, 2003 4:35:05 pm PDT #4100 of 10001
What I love most about you core whores: the foreplay .... tina F.

I always felt that she came back souless - not actually - but dispirited and not happy about it. When viewed from that 'more like Faith' perspective, I'd like to see some of those eps reshot with a tad more leather.

Edited to add: Buffy leather , that is.

§ ita § - Aug 02, 2003 4:41:31 pm PDT #4101 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought the demon wearing a person suit wasn't quite right.

Now, maybe the slayerness is tied to having a soul, which would be a good precaution to take, but I don't think we've been shown info either way.

Burrell - Aug 02, 2003 4:45:53 pm PDT #4102 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I thought the demon wearing a person suit wasn't quite right.

This reminds me of MiB--the Edgar suit!

mikal - Aug 02, 2003 4:47:02 pm PDT #4103 of 10001
What I love most about you core whores: the foreplay .... tina F.

big nummer, Ita

I have to admit that I didn't really watch very much after that. I skimmed, and tried to keep up .... especially after the 'romance' began. But I felt SMG might have been a tad more dominant ...... maybe even tap on the anger in her RL. Or rmaybe Freddie just was overwhelmingly satisfying.

t leaving typo

Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 02, 2003 4:52:08 pm PDT #4104 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The mirror image of my scenario held true though - when Darla was resurrected with a human soul but without the demon that had been her essence as a vampire, it was also without the strength associated with vampirism.

Way back when, I'd wondered if being a Slayer might immunize one from being turned entirely. But both Dracula and Angelus seemed to think it was possible. And given the situation Angelus was trying it in, I don't think he was anticipating a pissed-off former Slayer that would be even more powerful than he.

sj - Aug 02, 2003 4:56:32 pm PDT #4105 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

And given the situation Angelus was trying it in, I don't think he was anticipating a pissed-off former Slayer that would be even more powerful than he.

But, if she lost her soul in the process, I don't see her being pissed off, anymore than Dru is pissed at Angelus for torturing her before vamping her. She worships him because he is her sire.

Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 02, 2003 5:05:51 pm PDT #4106 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

It's iffy... remember that scene with the holy water in "What's My Line"? Sounded like a bit of a grudge being held to me, albeit over her slain relatives rather than what he did to her personally.

Still, the odds probably would have been good for Faith becoming a partner in crime rather than continuing to kick his ass.

sj - Aug 02, 2003 5:08:03 pm PDT #4107 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

remember that scene with the holy water in "What's My Line"?

Actually, I don't. Care to remind me?

DavidS - Aug 02, 2003 5:09:47 pm PDT #4108 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Actually, I don't. Care to remind me?

How can you forget that scene? Angel chained up and shirtless? Dru pouring holy water on him while talking about her family and watching smoke rising off his burning flesh?

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