Not a lot I can say to that. They worked for me. S6 more so than S7, right enough.
Mal: And I never back down from a fight. Inara: Yes, you do! You do all the time!
'Shindig'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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UTTAD - Jul 30, 2003 12:11:45 pm PDT #3907 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.
Typo Boy - Jul 30, 2003 12:14:16 pm PDT #3908 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Umm I think leaving a rapist alone with someone stunningly beautiful is probably even a worse mistake then leaving them alone with someone of average appearence. I know rape is primarly a crime of violence - but isn't someon vulnerable and sexually attractive even more at risk? Maybe not.
§ ita § - Jul 30, 2003 12:15:52 pm PDT #3909 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Spike raped Buffy because of who she was. If there'd been a reason to rape Dawn in his twisted rationale, I don't think her looks would have had the slightest bearing on it. It would have been because of her relationship to Buffy.
Typo Boy - Jul 30, 2003 12:17:39 pm PDT #3910 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Point taken ita - my mind was wandering between the episode and the mroe general question. And I'm not sure it was correct even there.
Jessica - Jul 30, 2003 12:18:16 pm PDT #3911 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Well you could argue it's ME's job to pose questions, and it's up to us to bring our own answers
You could, but I wouldn't.
It's also made me think the writing staff is very disorganised and shortsighted.
What ita Said.
UTTAD - Jul 30, 2003 12:21:41 pm PDT #3912 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.
Okay fair enough. I never suggested you should.
Lyra Jane - Jul 30, 2003 12:24:24 pm PDT #3913 of 10001
Up with the sun
Perhaps, early on, had Spike said, "I can't help you fight this monster, because I can't bear to face you, because I know what I did to you," maybe not even to Buffy (because that could be interpreted as laying a guilt trip, perhaps to Xander, because he wasn't going to buy any bull from Spike, it would have helped.
Hmm. I'm not sure if I see Spike as Big Emotional Speech, Take Responsibility For What He's Done Guy. It was more like him to show up at the house in "Beneath You" and try to help, without explaining what was up.
I think, if he had tried to turn her into a vampire, I would have bought it as a desperate act, and more in tune with the character, and also as a catalyst for him saying, "If I can't change her, I need to change me."
That would have worked soooooooooooooo infinitely much better. I think that's an example where the metaphor can get at more truth than reality.
B/c right now, I'm kind of in the ita camp, where SR never happened.
Allyson - Jul 30, 2003 12:38:22 pm PDT #3914 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
That would have worked soooooooooooooo infinitely much better. I think that's an example where the metaphor can get at more truth than reality.
I should go write for Mutant Enemy, except for the part where I can't write and the commute to Santa Monica would totally blow.
Daisy Jane - Jul 30, 2003 12:39:11 pm PDT #3915 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
I used to think it wouldln't have been better, but y'all are sending me over to the AV side.
UTTAD - Jul 30, 2003 12:42:28 pm PDT #3916 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.
That would have worked soooooooooooooo infinitely much better. I think that's an example where the metaphor can get at more truth than reality.
But aren't you left with the same problem? If it's a metaphor for rape, how can Buffy forgive him? Or is it a metaphor for something else? Or is it just better to dress the rape up as something else?