My post got all jumbled and fucked up in the sending, or in the cut and paste from my text editor. Weird.

But the gist was, "the relationship would have had to have been long and loving, followed by a really shitty trigger like drug dependancy, followed by a long road of recovery and forgiveness, in order to restore the relationship...and even then? It'd be forever changed, due to both the attempted rape, the drug abuse, the recovery."

And that's just a theoretical way that maybe I'd accept that as an audience member. Mutant Enemy needed a refresher course in time management last season. It would have taken more than one season to recover, even if they were at the top of their game. The attempted rape was a bad move.

I think, if he had tried to turn her into a vampire, I would have bought it as a desperate act, and more in tune with the character, and also as a catalyst for him saying, "If I can't change her, I need to change me."

What is MI-5?

lisah - -I thought the same thing!

I think, if he had tried to turn her into a vampire, I would have bought it as a desperate act, and more in tune with the character, and also as a catalyst for him saying, "If I can't change her, I need to change me."

My god. Allyson is me.

It's a British show about spies that is on A&E.

Jenny, I thought we weren't talking about Buffy and Spike. We were talking in general terms, if there is ever a way that an audience could accept the victim of an attempted rapist to have a decent romantic relationship with the attempted rapist, and what those parameters would have to be.

But forgiveness is an utterly subjective thing in these circumstances. So there's no real answer. Everybody brings their own burgers to this BBQ.

But it's ME's job to give us something we can buy. If they tread onto something so subjective they leave behind a bunch of loyal fans, and have it be important, it's probably not a wise choice of subject matter.

Yeah - I really can't see easily see how to get back into a relationship under the circumstances.

You had a mutual s/m relationship - with a certain amount of play at overcoming reluctance (plus a certain amount of real overcoming of reluctance). Some of it borders on the edge of rape-play.

And then one day one partner tries rape for real. I can see maybe eventually forgiving the other peson. (Forgiveness after all is not neccesarily earned.) I can't see ever being in a sexual relationship with the other person again, or even resting in the arms of the other person. I surely can't see trusting the other peson to friggin baby sit your stunningly beautiful little sister the next day.

What does stunningly beautiful have to do with it, Gar?