lisah - -I thought the same thing!
Wesley: Feng Shui. Gunn: Right. What's that mean again? Wesley: That people will believe anything. Actually, in this place, Feng Shui will probably have enormous significance. I'll align my furniture the wrong way and suddenly catch fire or turn into a pudding.
'Conviction (1)'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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sumi - Jul 30, 2003 11:57:35 am PDT #3896 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
§ ita § - Jul 30, 2003 11:58:20 am PDT #3897 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think, if he had tried to turn her into a vampire, I would have bought it as a desperate act, and more in tune with the character, and also as a catalyst for him saying, "If I can't change her, I need to change me."
My god. Allyson is me.
sumi - Jul 30, 2003 11:58:34 am PDT #3898 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
It's a British show about spies that is on A&E.
Allyson - Jul 30, 2003 11:58:50 am PDT #3899 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Jenny, I thought we weren't talking about Buffy and Spike. We were talking in general terms, if there is ever a way that an audience could accept the victim of an attempted rapist to have a decent romantic relationship with the attempted rapist, and what those parameters would have to be.
UTTAD - Jul 30, 2003 12:01:03 pm PDT #3900 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.
But forgiveness is an utterly subjective thing in these circumstances. So there's no real answer. Everybody brings their own burgers to this BBQ.
§ ita § - Jul 30, 2003 12:03:48 pm PDT #3901 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But it's ME's job to give us something we can buy. If they tread onto something so subjective they leave behind a bunch of loyal fans, and have it be important, it's probably not a wise choice of subject matter.
Typo Boy - Jul 30, 2003 12:04:26 pm PDT #3902 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Yeah - I really can't see easily see how to get back into a relationship under the circumstances.
You had a mutual s/m relationship - with a certain amount of play at overcoming reluctance (plus a certain amount of real overcoming of reluctance). Some of it borders on the edge of rape-play.
And then one day one partner tries rape for real. I can see maybe eventually forgiving the other peson. (Forgiveness after all is not neccesarily earned.) I can't see ever being in a sexual relationship with the other person again, or even resting in the arms of the other person. I surely can't see trusting the other peson to friggin baby sit your stunningly beautiful little sister the next day.
§ ita § - Jul 30, 2003 12:07:25 pm PDT #3903 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
What does stunningly beautiful have to do with it, Gar?
UTTAD - Jul 30, 2003 12:07:35 pm PDT #3904 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.
Well you could argue it's ME's job to pose questions, and it's up to us to bring our own answers. Look at it this way, it's made a lot of people think more deeply on this subject than they might otherwise have done.
§ ita § - Jul 30, 2003 12:09:46 pm PDT #3905 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
it's made a lot of people think more deeply on this subject than they might otherwise have done.
It's also made me think the writing staff is very disorganised and shortsighted.
I think they've lost people's devotion to the show, and that's bad. I don't like having to pretend stuff didn't happen to make two seasons hang together, but I gotta.