I couldn't believe it the first twenty times you told us, but it's starting to sink in now.

Riley ,'Lessons'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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§ ita § - Jul 29, 2003 7:49:39 am PDT #3797 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm with you Gloomcookie. I've been handed the idea that there's something wrong with me when I don't want a guy that's interested in me. Which is ever so likely to make me say cruel things like "No, dude, there's something wrong with YOU."


Glamcookie - Jul 29, 2003 7:54:10 am PDT #3798 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Yeah, I guess they'd prefer brutal honesty, right? A laundry list of the reasons that you don't want to go out with them. That'd go over really well, I'm sure.


Allyson - Jul 29, 2003 8:08:34 am PDT #3799 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I hate the implication that if you're a single woman, then you are obligated to date any man that asks you out. It's offensive.

Amen.


§ ita § - Jul 29, 2003 8:10:12 am PDT #3800 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I mean, you can like a guy, love him, adore him, esteem him ... and not be attracted to him.

cf most of my male friends.

It just happens weird.

And it does happen in the other direction too.


Jenny_G - Jul 29, 2003 8:17:53 am PDT #3801 of 10001
One eye out for highway danger, the other out for fruit. - fr. Martin Mull's Truckdrivin' Songs for the Eight Basic Food Groups

I find it interesting . . . a couple of months ago there was some discussion here as to whether Buffy was wrong to sort of give it a go with Spike, knowing a) he adored her, and b) she wasn't sure she was ready for a relationship - in fact was pretty clear that she WASN'T ready. Now there's a discussion as to whether Buffy was wrong NOT to sort of give it a go with Xander knowing a) he adored her, and b) she wasn't sure she was interested in a relationship with him - in fact was pretty clear that she WASN'T interested.


Sean K - Jul 29, 2003 8:39:24 am PDT #3802 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I hate the implication that if you're a single woman, then you are obligated to date any man that asks you out. It's offensive.

I'll see Allyson's amen, and raise a halleluja.


Vortex - Jul 29, 2003 8:42:52 am PDT #3803 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I mean, you can like a guy, love him, adore him, esteem him ... and not be attracted to him.

cf most of my male friends.

It just happens weird.

And it does happen in the other direction too.

absolutely.


Sean K - Jul 29, 2003 8:52:02 am PDT #3804 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Actually, Jenny's post sort of got me thinking, as surprising as it is for someone who's spent a lot of time as a dateless wonder, I've been on both sides of this equation - I've been the guy who doesn't understand why the girl I asked out won't just give me a chance, and I've been the one who feels no attraction at all towards the woman who's suddenly putting a lot of pressure on me to go out with her.

So, as much as I agree that there's no obligation whatsoever on the part of the person being asked out to reciprocate, I can also say (as relates to Spike/Buffy) sometimes you at least consider saying yes because you're lonely and want some lovin', even if you know deep within your heart of hearts that you have no love for the other person, and that sleeping with them is maybe a bad idea. Sometimes you do it anyway.

Humans have a long history of doing things they know to not be a good idea.


Fred Pete - Jul 29, 2003 9:13:10 am PDT #3805 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Humans have a long history of doing things they know to not be a good idea.

And for the worst reasons.


tina f. - Jul 29, 2003 10:29:09 am PDT #3806 of 10001

sometimes you at least consider saying yes because you're lonely and want some lovin', even if you know deep within your heart of hearts that you have no love for the other person, and that sleeping with them is maybe a bad idea. Sometimes you do it anyway.

This is true. I spent long periods of my life doing this. I can't say I wouldn't do it again, either. But - for now - give me the single and unhealthy-relationship-free life.

And to be more on-topic. This IS SO S6 Buffy. I completely understood where she was coming from.