Then again Buffy was never a klepto so my fanwank is short lived.

I believe she was, in LA, but I can't think of the reference right now.

I believe she was, in LA, but I can't think of the reference right now.

Becoming Part One, it gets mentioned in the flashback to Angel seeing Bufy for the first time.

When's the last time you gave someone you weren't interested in a shot? Especially when a good friendship (and perhaps saving the world) was on the line?

One time I gave a girl a shot and the other time I didnt. In retrospect both of them were mistakes and I wish I could have swapped the two choices. But those were both a VERY long time ago.

Right now with my work schedule and living arrangements I am lucky to see a female more than once a week outside of work.

Becoming Part One, it gets mentioned in the flashback to Angel seeing Buffy for the first time.

Sure, come in with the answer while I am doing the research. I was just going to say, Victor would know. Here is Buffy's line:

"You're not from Bullock's are you Cause I-I meant to pay for that lipstick."

My fanwank lives on. How could I forget that wonderful school steps scene with Dirty!Angel watching Buffy and her sucker from afar.

Delurking to chime in on the X/B 'ship. One of the many things I love about BtVS is that X/B never became a romantic/sexual one. On any other show, at some point, they would have dated, or whatever. All male/female relationships are reduced to sexual attraction/truw lurv, but never friendships. It's as if men and women can never be friends. Good, loving, caring friends, of all genders, are as important as sexual relationships. If the Scoobies are a "metaphorical" family for Buffy, then any sexual/romantic relationship with Xander would be incest. And I say this as someone who has always had male friends who are very important to me. I really liked seeing that portrayed on a TV show. PS, I've been lurking since the Table Talk days, but only have internet access at home, and it's very hard to keep up. I've enjoyed reading everyone's posts, analysis, insights, etc., and I think that both the show and these forums have made me a more critical consumer of popular culture.

When's the last time you gave someone you weren't interested in a shot?

dissolving in mingled laughter and nostalgia for college. Gosh, what was his name?

But there are people who were friends that I wish I had given a chance, but I was too hung up on one particular guy. Ah, well.

Connie, the one that I didn't give a chance was for the same reason as you. I was so hung up on a girl that wanted to be friends that I couldn't see past the blinders she had on me. Crushes suck ass.

When's the last time you gave someone you weren't interested in a shot?

I have done this twice. I have lived to regret it twice.

I know different folks have different takes on potential relationships, but aside from "Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered" I think the writers and cast were very careful to never portray any mutual attraction between Buffy and Xander. They established that "you're like one of the girls!" dynamic very early on, and never wavered.

I quite agree. In fact, the only time I ever suspected it might waver was early on in season seven, when they started taking on that married couple dynamic, especially with Dawn.

As to ships, I have nothing against them, per se, but I think my fundamental problem with them, when taken to extremes, is that they push too much toward defining characters by their relationships, when a good deal of the show has been about doing the exact opposite.