Spike/Pacey is spacey.

in a show called "Buffy" the feeling that I was starting not to like Buffy was a big downer, too.

I've been watching season four episodes like "Living Conditions" and "Pangs" and the fact that Buffy turned out so cold-hearted is making me like her less even when she looks happy and funny.

He is the baddie who's often referred to as He who can't be named or something.

Maybe he should get together with Glory.

Thing is everyone talks about what made them not like Buffy anymore. For me I never liked the character of Buffy from S1 on. I mean sure there were times I really felt for her (Prophecy Girl, Innocence, Becoming, The Body, The Gift) but to me she was always that girl that wouldn't give a guy like me(Xander) a chance. I always held that against her, because even though she was part of the outsiders in high school(according to Cordy and the Cordettes) she still came across as nose stuck in the air better than Xander.

I still resent her for turning him down in S1.

Anyone understand where I am coming from? Didn't think so.

I might just be the only B/X'er still out there that is pissed off that it didnt ever happen.

Gleebo, you're not alone. Xander deserved a shot.

I started watching Buffy in S6 while also watching the reruns on FX. I liked the character of Buffy right from the start. I could understand where she was coming from.

Aww, see I felt for them both. I think she was pretty comfortable with him as a friend (a much needed friend with all the crap she was dealing with), and just couldn't move him to the love interest place. I think she felt bad about it too, when she realized how different his feeling for her were.

I think she probably knew there was a bit of a crush, but I don't think she knew how deep it was.

I dunno. It's not Buffy's fault if the feelings aren't there for her, and for a sixteen-year-old I think she handled that whole situation with a great deal of grace. (Well, minus When She Was Bad.)

Me too. I liked her best in Season 6, although I think my liking of her started when her mother died. Before that I didn't dislike her, she just wasn't a character I could identify with.

Season 4 really diluted the affection I had for Buffy... she grew distant from Joyce, Giles, and her friends, and it didn't seem to have a good reason like her coldness in Season 6 did. But despite my lower overall opinion of Season 5, the misery she suffered in "The Body" was real enough that it would have made me sympathize with Jesse Helms.

I think the Xander thing turned out quite well, if we accept that she simply had no romantic feelings for him. Sure, there was that resentment of all her too-more-than-human men, but friendships should stay that solid in real life, after romantic disappointment, huh?

I hate the whole 'lets be friends' excuse. But for Buffy/Xander I think it ended up being for the best. Look at ME relationships, even the strongest ones and see how bad that would have fucked up the entire dynamics of the Scoobies. She still should have gave him a shot though back in high school.

Still bugs me that she wouldn't go out with him but she would nail 2 vampires and a Psyc TA.

(Well, minus When She Was Bad.)

Totally, but she was pretty bad to everyone. But for me that's kinda tempered with stuff like 1) the daydream about Giles/The Master killing her and 2) Her smashing the bones to powder at the end. 3) While she's obsessively working out and telling Giles "I'll be ready." It's like she's trying to convince herself. She was freaked out and scared and not sure who she could rely on or even if she could rely on herself. I think had she not had her friends and Giles, that could've turned her Faith-like.