"Forever" had demon eggs too, and made into reality my sarcastic prediction about cast raises resulting in the monsters being played by Muppets in Season 5.
What is your childhood trauma?
Cordelia ,'Lessons'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 10, 2003 3:35:22 pm PDT #3328 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Sean K - Jul 10, 2003 3:36:20 pm PDT #3329 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
The demon eggs were in As You Were and I stand by my wank that Spike was holding the eggs for someone else to try to make money to help the girls out. Because there is no way he'd use the underworld nickname 'Doc'.
Feh. That was another "that's totally stupid and makes no sense" episode.
Elena - Jul 10, 2003 3:38:21 pm PDT #3330 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.
"Forever" had demon eggs too
Oh, yes, for the raising spell. I had forgotten.
Sean, yes, if they had only picked another name. 'Doc' (or was it 'The Doctor'?) is just not something Spike would have used.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 10, 2003 3:38:33 pm PDT #3331 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Yeah, "As You Were" had me thinking "Couldn't this episode be a psychotic hallucination brought on by demon venom too? Please?"
RobertH - Jul 10, 2003 3:46:07 pm PDT #3332 of 10001
Disaffected college student
Something's that's been bothering me in recent interviews is the line "We wish we could've given Xander (Giles) (Dawn) more of a storyline (personality) (life), but there were all these things we had to get done this season, and there just wasn't time." Because just how much characterization (one of the highest points of Buffy) are you willing to let fall by the wayside before reconsidering how important "all those other things you have to get done" are?
My view of the season's high and low points: first seven good-to-excellent (I'll let "Help" and parts of "Him" slide); next eight a completely average muddle, with TKiM and First Date rising above it at points; Storyteller dragging me back to happiness; LMPTM dashing it away again; Dirty Girls, Empty Places, and Touched another, less severe slump; End of Days and Chosen getting Es for effort.
Still, despite the banality of Help, the when-will-it-end-ness of Never Bring a Sleeper to Showtime Potential Night, and the pod people of LMPTM, nothing came anywhere near the level of The Episode Which Shall Never Be Watched Again.
I liked Season 7, but I wish I could have loved it.
RobertH - Jul 10, 2003 3:48:59 pm PDT #3333 of 10001
Disaffected college student
(I misused the word "completely" in that last post. But I'm not editing it, because I'm afraid the paragraph in question will explode.)
Jessica - Jul 10, 2003 4:52:47 pm PDT #3334 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Because I think it should have been a season long Yoko Factor, with lots of mental anguish.
Yup, pretty much, Elena. And the defeating of it should have involved something more metaphysical than just staking lots of vampires. Because, dude, it's The First Evil. It should either be undefeatable, blah blah moral lesson about balancecakes, or, the Chosen spell should have had an explicit extra dimension of restoring balance, (since in my S7 Done Right, the desire to empower the potentials comes from Buffy's desire for justice, not her bitterness over her stolen childhood).
And Matt, yes, word. So much more powerful that way.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 10, 2003 5:04:16 pm PDT #3335 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
"Forever" had demon eggs too, and made into reality my sarcastic prediction about cast raises resulting in the monsters being played by Muppets in Season 5.
Hey don't go dissing Muppets - Farscape's done an amazing job of creating scary Muppets. Emotional one's too. Certainly Pilot and Rygel were far better "actors" than Kramer, Weber, and (sad to say, 'cause I kinda like the stiff) Blucas.
Hayden - Jul 10, 2003 5:56:13 pm PDT #3336 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
Y'all are hitting on some of my Season 7 problems. I think 5-7 suffered from poorly plotted arcs, but find 5 much more forgiveable in retrospect. A little tightening here and there, and it would have been perfect enough. Six was when I realized that the writing was falling out, and Seven just drove me bonkers with the mischaracterizations, the poor plotting, and the inability to create any suspense. Especially since Six & Seven had all of the opportunities for greatness present, but the execution was half-baked.
Steph L. - Jul 10, 2003 5:57:47 pm PDT #3337 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism
My perfect S7 would have been called S5 and would have incorporated all the good bits of the last 3 seasons with none of the dead weight.
Yes, yes, and YES. I also would get rid of Dawn. Not in the kill sense; in the never-should-have-brought-her-on sense. She wasn't quite a Cousin Oliver, but the show took a radical turn in tone in S5-7. Which are coincidentally, Dawn's seasons.
I found Monkey'sPaw!Joyce to be the scariest thing in the show's history
The scariest thing for me -- and I remember *exactly* how I felt when it happened, and I was unspoiled for it -- was black-eyed!pissed-off!Willow, levitating into Glory's penthouse to kick some godly ass. Seeing her all dark magic-y freaked my shit out. The fact that she was *levitating* -- freaked my shit out. Because....it was *Willow,* you know?
Farscape's done an amazing job of creating scary Muppets. Emotional one's too.
AND they re-used the Skeksis!