Something's that's been bothering me in recent interviews is the line "We wish we could've given Xander (Giles) (Dawn) more of a storyline (personality) (life), but there were all these things we had to get done this season, and there just wasn't time." Because just how much characterization (one of the highest points of Buffy) are you willing to let fall by the wayside before reconsidering how important "all those other things you have to get done" are?

My view of the season's high and low points: first seven good-to-excellent (I'll let "Help" and parts of "Him" slide); next eight a completely average muddle, with TKiM and First Date rising above it at points; Storyteller dragging me back to happiness; LMPTM dashing it away again; Dirty Girls, Empty Places, and Touched another, less severe slump; End of Days and Chosen getting Es for effort.

Still, despite the banality of Help, the when-will-it-end-ness of Never Bring a Sleeper to Showtime Potential Night, and the pod people of LMPTM, nothing came anywhere near the level of The Episode Which Shall Never Be Watched Again.

I liked Season 7, but I wish I could have loved it.

(I misused the word "completely" in that last post. But I'm not editing it, because I'm afraid the paragraph in question will explode.)

Because I think it should have been a season long Yoko Factor, with lots of mental anguish.

Yup, pretty much, Elena. And the defeating of it should have involved something more metaphysical than just staking lots of vampires. Because, dude, it's The First Evil. It should either be undefeatable, blah blah moral lesson about balancecakes, or, the Chosen spell should have had an explicit extra dimension of restoring balance, (since in my S7 Done Right, the desire to empower the potentials comes from Buffy's desire for justice, not her bitterness over her stolen childhood).

And Matt, yes, word. So much more powerful that way.

"Forever" had demon eggs too, and made into reality my sarcastic prediction about cast raises resulting in the monsters being played by Muppets in Season 5.

Hey don't go dissing Muppets - Farscape's done an amazing job of creating scary Muppets. Emotional one's too. Certainly Pilot and Rygel were far better "actors" than Kramer, Weber, and (sad to say, 'cause I kinda like the stiff) Blucas.

Y'all are hitting on some of my Season 7 problems. I think 5-7 suffered from poorly plotted arcs, but find 5 much more forgiveable in retrospect. A little tightening here and there, and it would have been perfect enough. Six was when I realized that the writing was falling out, and Seven just drove me bonkers with the mischaracterizations, the poor plotting, and the inability to create any suspense. Especially since Six & Seven had all of the opportunities for greatness present, but the execution was half-baked.

My perfect S7 would have been called S5 and would have incorporated all the good bits of the last 3 seasons with none of the dead weight.

Yes, yes, and YES. I also would get rid of Dawn. Not in the kill sense; in the never-should-have-brought-her-on sense. She wasn't quite a Cousin Oliver, but the show took a radical turn in tone in S5-7. Which are coincidentally, Dawn's seasons.

I found Monkey'sPaw!Joyce to be the scariest thing in the show's history

The scariest thing for me -- and I remember *exactly* how I felt when it happened, and I was unspoiled for it -- was black-eyed!pissed-off!Willow, levitating into Glory's penthouse to kick some godly ass. Seeing her all dark magic-y freaked my shit out. The fact that she was *levitating* -- freaked my shit out. Because....it was *Willow,* you know?

Farscape's done an amazing job of creating scary Muppets. Emotional one's too.

AND they re-used the Skeksis!

AND they re-used the Skeksis!

There was an ep I saw recently (Green-Eyed Monster, mabye?) where Chricton says "Skeksis" as part of a list in a "oh boy, what's chasing us this time?" rant, and I loved that I really had no idea if this was Chricton making a random pop culture reference, or if it was the name of an alien species we hadn't met yet, or if he was pop-culturally referencing the Skeksi-like aliens from S1.

but find 5 much more forgiveable in retrospect.

Ugh, no. Maybe it's because I didn't abhor Spuffy as much as some people, but Glory was the nadir for me. 6 and 7 were recoveries from a dismal season compared to 5. And Ben...

shudder

Reading season 7 recaps, I just came across Yet Another Unanswered Question: what was the deal with Principal Wood appearing to be in a trance and burying Jonathan in Never Leave Me? "Mother was a Slayer", "pestered by the FE", and "good fighter", but none of those would seem to give one the ability to dowse for corpses.

what was the deal with Principal Wood appearing to be in a trance and burying Jonathan in Never Leave Me?

Yes! This! I was certain the FE was guiding him down there somehow, but ... I mean, why? Did Wood smell him? Was he doing his bit for school hygiene? This made no sense!