It's good to have cargo. Makes us a target for every other scavenger out there, though, but sometimes that's fun too.

Mal ,'Shindig'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Jessica - Jul 10, 2003 6:01:34 pm PDT #3338 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

AND they re-used the Skeksis!

There was an ep I saw recently (Green-Eyed Monster, mabye?) where Chricton says "Skeksis" as part of a list in a "oh boy, what's chasing us this time?" rant, and I loved that I really had no idea if this was Chricton making a random pop culture reference, or if it was the name of an alien species we hadn't met yet, or if he was pop-culturally referencing the Skeksi-like aliens from S1.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 10, 2003 7:11:25 pm PDT #3339 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

but find 5 much more forgiveable in retrospect.

Ugh, no. Maybe it's because I didn't abhor Spuffy as much as some people, but Glory was the nadir for me. 6 and 7 were recoveries from a dismal season compared to 5. And Ben...

shudder


RobertH - Jul 10, 2003 8:15:35 pm PDT #3340 of 10001
Disaffected college student

Reading season 7 recaps, I just came across Yet Another Unanswered Question: what was the deal with Principal Wood appearing to be in a trance and burying Jonathan in Never Leave Me? "Mother was a Slayer", "pestered by the FE", and "good fighter", but none of those would seem to give one the ability to dowse for corpses.


Connie Neil - Jul 10, 2003 8:25:36 pm PDT #3341 of 10001
brillig

what was the deal with Principal Wood appearing to be in a trance and burying Jonathan in Never Leave Me?

Yes! This! I was certain the FE was guiding him down there somehow, but ... I mean, why? Did Wood smell him? Was he doing his bit for school hygiene? This made no sense!


Allyson - Jul 10, 2003 9:04:33 pm PDT #3342 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Yes, the quandry for Buffy, the lesson, that without evil, she would not have forged these relationships, would never have known Angel, Giles, any of the Scoobies, that she would never know her strength without these constant trials.

I wanted this from the first evil, not the RubberFacedClown. Again, so much potential wasted on too many potentials.

If the lesson is that heroism is found in crisis, that one doesn't exist without the other, that there is a balance, then we could have had a greater examination on what it meant to be in Willow's shoes, what Anya meant to Xander, Faith's redemption, Spike's struggle, Buffy's losing her way in six...it would have all been so much more cohesive to have been able to examine them in relation to the First.

The First, like Buffy, depends on the scales being in balance. Cheating on the balance by bringing her back allows the First to cheat by destroying the Slayer line.

But what we had with Buffy sharing the power is another upset of balance, and it could have been more clearly presented as an balancing of the scales, if instead of giving the power to all the girls of the world, she could simply have bestowed it one, restoring the line. Also could have used that opportunity to wrap up the "she won't choose you."

Of course, Buffy did what the first council did, by not offering the girls a choice.


Fred Pete - Jul 11, 2003 4:04:18 am PDT #3343 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

but the show took a radical turn in tone in S5-7. Which are coincidentally, Dawn's seasons.

I'm not sure the problem was Dawn as much as leaving school behind. Certainly by late S5, the show lost its overriding theme of "High school/ college is hell." After that, there was no real overriding theme that was both semi-realistic and entertaining.

And my rankings: S5 was mostly solid (it's the season I started watching, BTW). S6 was brilliant at both ends, but sagged badly in the middle (DMP and AYW, anyone?). S7 started well but became a mess (except for "Storyteller" and, oddly enough, LMPTM) -- with some too-little-too-late improvement at the end.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Jul 11, 2003 4:11:05 am PDT #3344 of 10001
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

AYW, anyone?

Yeah, actually. It has its faults, several of them, but of all of season 6, it's my third most-watched episode (after the Smashed and Wreaked).


Lyra Jane - Jul 11, 2003 4:46:49 am PDT #3345 of 10001
Up with the sun

I agree that there were a lot of problems with S7, and a lot of missed opportunities, but I also remember how much I liked the first part of the season, some of the shows in the middle, and the finale.

This is where I am, too. They should have done more with Dawn and Xander, less with the stupid frelling UberVamps, and used the Potentials in fewer episodes.


Fred Pete - Jul 11, 2003 5:08:49 am PDT #3346 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

They should have done more with Dawn and Xander, less with the stupid frelling UberVamps, and used the Potentials in fewer episodes.

More with characterization generally. That's why the D&D scene was one of the best parts of "Chosen" -- it allowed character interaction that wasn't overwhelmed by the plot.

As for the Potentials -- sending Giles off for a number of eps to search for Potentials was a good idea (given the limited number of eps he'd agreed to appear in). And each ep, another Potential or two arrives in Sunnydale. That way, we'd at least have a prayer of seeing some of the Potentials as individuals, instead of the indigestible lump created when dozens showed up in 2 or 3 eps.


Gleebo - Jul 11, 2003 5:22:57 am PDT #3347 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

One thing that just struck me last night at work. The world has come close to ending how many times on BtVS, and NOW the denizens of Sunnydale evacuate for this one. In retrospect it was probably a wise decision.

Also the possibility of a Clem spinoff lives on.