I said I'm sorry. I've made mistakes, but fear was never one of them.

Lilah ,'Conviction (1)'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Cindy - May 15, 2003 11:41:42 am PDT #331 of 10001
Nobody

Ohmygoodness. That's true. And I've managed to completely miss that for all this time. I'm really dense.

That's why nobody staked Spike after he got the chip.


Wolfram - May 15, 2003 11:43:26 am PDT #332 of 10001
Visilurking

Well, Spike is a vampire. Wood has dedicated his life to killing vampires. Justified.

If Wood kills Angel in the season finale is that justified? I would be pretty pissed. And Angel spent a large portion of his life as an evil-murdering vampire.


Glamcookie - May 15, 2003 11:44:05 am PDT #333 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Spike did take the coat away from Wood - prick.

Cindy, the distinction I would make is whether things are done for good or evil. Vampires' intent is evil. Vampire killers are on the side of good. So Wood has been acting on the side of good by killing vampires. While I see your point on the vengeance thing, I still think he'd be justified in killing Spike merely because he's a vampire. The fact that he can get his rocks off because the guy killed his mother is just gravy. And for the record, your chocolate scenario is of the evil :)


Glamcookie - May 15, 2003 11:45:19 am PDT #334 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

That's why nobody staked Spike after he got the chip.

I thought nobody staked Spike after he got the chip because he'd been defanged. He was no longer a threat.


Lee - May 15, 2003 11:49:03 am PDT #335 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Spike did take the coat away from Wood

I think I need to go and rewatch, because that sounds right, but I remembered it differently.

(Of course, I like Spike's ownership of the coat in any case, and how he uses it to help create the Spike persona even now.)


§ ita § - May 15, 2003 11:49:09 am PDT #336 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm disturbed by Buffy's "Spike, why aren't you more savage!" exhortation. I think it was pretty low on the conscience-o-meter. As was her "Oh, Will, get over your Dark!issues."

Spike retaking his trophy? Perfectly understandable reaction. But then what happened? The edge she wanted, where has it gone? I'm disappointed in the narrative for letting that go, since I was not unhappy to be disturbed by Buffy demanding it, if that makes sense.

Willow's still waffling, and I want a payoff there.

But yeah, sanctioned Buffyverse killing is to remove present threats. Less so to prevent future threats, and rarely endorsed to punish past misdeeds.


Wolfram - May 15, 2003 11:51:34 am PDT #337 of 10001
Visilurking

I still think he'd be justified in killing Spike merely because he's a vampire.

Again, this doesn't add up in the Buffyverse.


Glamcookie - May 15, 2003 11:54:10 am PDT #338 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Again, this doesn't add up in the Buffyverse.

Maybe the Buffyverse previous to season 6, but as far as I can see, anything goes now.

Edited to add: Sorry to be snippy. I'm just bitter at the direction the show has taken.


§ ita § - May 15, 2003 11:56:27 am PDT #339 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Spike did take the coat away from Wood - prick.

No he didn't. Wood never had the coat.

Revenge killing has never been shown as good in the Buffyverse. Warren's death wasn't horrific because he had a soul, it was horrific because it was torture and revenge and not in the service of protecting anyone.

I think Buffy would have been upset if she'd killed Warren to save someone immediate, because that's not quite her job, but it would have been very different.


P.M. Marc - May 15, 2003 11:59:59 am PDT #340 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Spike retaking his trophy? Perfectly understandable reaction. But then what happened? The edge she wanted, where has it gone? I'm disappointed in the narrative for letting that go, since I was not unhappy to be disturbed by Buffy demanding it, if that makes sense.

Nah, makes perfect sense.