I seen you without your clothes on before. Never thought I'd see you naked.

Mal ,'Trash'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Glamcookie - May 15, 2003 11:45:19 am PDT #334 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

That's why nobody staked Spike after he got the chip.

I thought nobody staked Spike after he got the chip because he'd been defanged. He was no longer a threat.


Lee - May 15, 2003 11:49:03 am PDT #335 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Spike did take the coat away from Wood

I think I need to go and rewatch, because that sounds right, but I remembered it differently.

(Of course, I like Spike's ownership of the coat in any case, and how he uses it to help create the Spike persona even now.)


§ ita § - May 15, 2003 11:49:09 am PDT #336 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm disturbed by Buffy's "Spike, why aren't you more savage!" exhortation. I think it was pretty low on the conscience-o-meter. As was her "Oh, Will, get over your Dark!issues."

Spike retaking his trophy? Perfectly understandable reaction. But then what happened? The edge she wanted, where has it gone? I'm disappointed in the narrative for letting that go, since I was not unhappy to be disturbed by Buffy demanding it, if that makes sense.

Willow's still waffling, and I want a payoff there.

But yeah, sanctioned Buffyverse killing is to remove present threats. Less so to prevent future threats, and rarely endorsed to punish past misdeeds.


Wolfram - May 15, 2003 11:51:34 am PDT #337 of 10001
Visilurking

I still think he'd be justified in killing Spike merely because he's a vampire.

Again, this doesn't add up in the Buffyverse.


Glamcookie - May 15, 2003 11:54:10 am PDT #338 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Again, this doesn't add up in the Buffyverse.

Maybe the Buffyverse previous to season 6, but as far as I can see, anything goes now.

Edited to add: Sorry to be snippy. I'm just bitter at the direction the show has taken.


§ ita § - May 15, 2003 11:56:27 am PDT #339 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Spike did take the coat away from Wood - prick.

No he didn't. Wood never had the coat.

Revenge killing has never been shown as good in the Buffyverse. Warren's death wasn't horrific because he had a soul, it was horrific because it was torture and revenge and not in the service of protecting anyone.

I think Buffy would have been upset if she'd killed Warren to save someone immediate, because that's not quite her job, but it would have been very different.


P.M. Marc - May 15, 2003 11:59:59 am PDT #340 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Spike retaking his trophy? Perfectly understandable reaction. But then what happened? The edge she wanted, where has it gone? I'm disappointed in the narrative for letting that go, since I was not unhappy to be disturbed by Buffy demanding it, if that makes sense.

Nah, makes perfect sense.


Wolfram - May 15, 2003 12:00:11 pm PDT #341 of 10001
Visilurking

I'm just bitter at the direction the show has taken.

Ditto.


justkim - May 15, 2003 12:00:46 pm PDT #342 of 10001
Another social casualty...

For, me, Wood's desire for venegence is justified, but the method he wanted to take his vengence was not. Cordelia's desire for vengence against Xander was justfied, but the wish that Buffy had never come to Sunnydale, not so much. It is, for me, a difference between motive and method.


Glamcookie - May 15, 2003 12:01:03 pm PDT #343 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Wood did take the coat and then Spike took it back. I know I'm not wrong on this... It pissed me off so badly.