I remember it being a big thing at the time that his character was going out on a date with Peter Gallagher's. The "I'm straight, I was just really drunk that night" excuse doesn't work so well when you meet for dinner and a show first.
Wesley: We were fighting on opposite sides, but it was the same war. Fred: but you hated her…didn't you? Wesley: It's not always about holding hands.
'Shells'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 13, 2003 9:02:57 am PDT #2648 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
nisaa - Jun 13, 2003 10:30:21 am PDT #2649 of 10001
"You know what they say about payback? Well, I'm the bitch." - Fred on 'supersymmetry'
Nice essay on Buffy's impact on the portrayla of lesbians on television.
yay! I'm practically jumping in my seat because the writer of that article not only noticed, by commended the series for how it portrayed lesbian/bisexual characters. And while they pointed out the grumbling over Tara's death, it didn't overshadow the rest of the praise.
I guess I didn't notice that the scene with Willow and Kennedy was "the first" lesbian sex scene on tv either. Probably because it just seemed normal to me. And, yes, I consider the "I'm Under Your Spell" scene to be a sex scene too. Certainly the lyrics to the song were sexy enough.
While I watch "ER" occassionally, the lesbian material with Weaver isn't nearly as romantic as it was on "Buffy". *sigh*
Yes. Need more bisexuality on network (or any!) TV.
I SO totally agree!!!
Laura - Jun 13, 2003 10:37:57 am PDT #2650 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.
I had no clue it was "the first" lesbian sex scene on network TV either. But I watch so little that I just wrongly assumed it happens elsewhere. Huh.
Also, in my version Willow is bisexual. Unless Joss personally tells me otherwise.
Despite my dislike of Kennedy in particular and my lack of interest in girl on girl action in general I did think the scene was hot.
tina f. - Jun 13, 2003 10:50:59 am PDT #2651 of 10001
Also, in my version Willow is bisexual. Unless Joss personally tells me otherwise.
It is hard to tell when they are being serious, but Joss and Marti have much to say about this in the commentary for Wild at Heart on the S4 DVD.
Vortex - Jun 13, 2003 11:11:42 am PDT #2652 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Kennedy was Latina? I missed that.
yeah, me too. And I'm having a hard time believing that Kennedy is the first regular Latina character on television. Though, admittedly, can't think of anyone
§ ita § - Jun 13, 2003 11:12:50 am PDT #2653 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Second regular Latina lesbian, actually.
Laura - Jun 13, 2003 11:19:19 am PDT #2654 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.
It is hard to tell when they are being serious, but Joss and Marti have much to say about this in the commentary for Wild at Heart on the S4 DVD.
I have those, yet I don't remember that commentary. Have to dig them out again.
Rayne - Jun 13, 2003 11:24:17 am PDT #2655 of 10001
"Oh no! Has falling sky liquid once again caused you the sadness?" -Starfire
Heh. I was just looking at a poll asking people to list their three favorite Potentials. I couldn't even come up with one! (There were some that annoyed me less than others, but I never really liked any of them.)
Vortex - Jun 13, 2003 11:24:25 am PDT #2656 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Second regular Latina lesbian, actually.
okay, how I got from "second regular Latina lesbian" to first latina ever, i don't know. i guess i'm just tired :)
Lady O' Spain - Jun 13, 2003 11:28:21 am PDT #2657 of 10001
Red hair and black leather--my favorite color scheme.
Also, in my version Willow is bisexual. Unless Joss personally tells me otherwise.
It is hard to tell when they are being serious, but Joss and Marti have much to say about this in the commentary for Wild at Heart on the S4 DVD.
Haven't seen the DVD yet, but the way I've always wanked it is that Willow is bi (she was definately in love with both Oz and Tara) but describes herself as gay. As in, the character is making the mistake, not the writers. We could probably get into all kinds of nifty psychobabble about why Willow does this (trying to distance herself further from geeky high-school Willow?) and why no one on the show has called her on it (ignorance, probably. Or they just don't care that much about sexual identity politics, what with the demons and all.)
Of course, I also subscribe to the "sexuality is a continuum" theory, especially since, even though I'm straight and married, there are a few females I wouldn't kick out of my bed. Uh, y'know, if I weren't married...