I don't care if it is an orgy of death, there's still such a thing as a napkin.

Willow ,'Lies My Parents Told Me'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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§ ita § - Jun 13, 2003 7:07:20 am PDT #2617 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Wow. I figured S2 and 3 would be front runners, but geez.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 13, 2003 7:13:18 am PDT #2618 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Man, I expected to have my choice (1) outweighed by seasons 2 and 3, but season 5?


Fred Pete - Jun 13, 2003 7:17:57 am PDT #2619 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

And S6 is sixth? Barely ahead of S7? Yes, S6 had some weak eps in the middle, but bang-up beginning and end.


victor infante - Jun 13, 2003 7:19:15 am PDT #2620 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Has anyone seen this:

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Nice essay on Buffy's impact on the portrayla of lesbians on television.


§ ita § - Jun 13, 2003 7:33:08 am PDT #2621 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Kennedy was Latina? I missed that.

I can't BELIEVE that was the first lesbian sex scene on network TV. I feel so dumb for not having noticed the milestone.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 13, 2003 7:37:59 am PDT #2622 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I can't BELIEVE that was the first lesbian sex scene on network TV. I feel so dumb for not having noticed the milestone.

 

Maybe you joined me in assuming that the end of "Under Your Spell" in OMWF qualified? I realize they didn't actually show anything, but if my parents could pick up on what was happening, the implications weren't exactly hidden.


amych - Jun 13, 2003 7:39:32 am PDT #2623 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Kennedy was Latina? I missed that.

I knew that the actress is, but I never thought the character was portrayed as Latina.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 13, 2003 8:18:01 am PDT #2624 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I knew that the actress is, but I never thought the character was portrayed as Latina.

Especially since Chloe (I think) was the designated Latina potential. The one who killed herself, right?


esse - Jun 13, 2003 8:19:16 am PDT #2625 of 10001
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Ah, the revelations. Kennedy is hispanic, the first lesbian sex scene on netowrk television--and all this post-show.


P.M. Marc - Jun 13, 2003 8:27:21 am PDT #2626 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm not sure the character was given any specific ethnicity.

The decision to make Willow a lesbian instead of bisexual was problematic, as well, since Willow was clearly attracted to her boyfriend Oz in high school. It would have been more realistic and more groundbreaking if Willow had come out as bisexual (since that is never done on television), or at least had a discussion with Tara or Buffy about whether she was bisexual or a lesbian, instead of just pretending bisexuality didn't even exist.

Sigh. YES. Still kind of irks.