Wild monkey love or tender Sarah McLachlan love?

Xander ,'Him'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Narrator - May 22, 2003 4:43:19 pm PDT #2038 of 10001
The evil is this way?

My assumption was that the First would know what they were doing and send the Bringers after them once the spell started. There would be casualties up top and no organized stand in the Hellmouth. So, they needed to get into position and count on Willow to pull the spell off. They were going to have to go down to the Hellmouth and take the fight to the Baddies in any event.


RobertH - May 22, 2003 4:49:18 pm PDT #2039 of 10001
Disaffected college student

Everyone says that they keep saying that Dawn's perfectly normal now. All I remember was a single line at the beginning of season six, and the person speaking wasn't exactly stating a categorical fact so much as a "far as we can tell". I'm willing to be shown other examples, of course. I did watch season six in the span of two weeks.

Plus, there's another aspect to Dawn besides (former) Key-ness: quasi-existence. If Buffy went into another No Place Like Home trance, would Dawn (or at least pictures of her pre-BvsD) no longer fade in and out of view?


§ ita § - May 22, 2003 4:52:45 pm PDT #2040 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I recall two references to her being normal post-gift, and one pre-Gift implying she was normal except for one specific (time-dependent) purpose. Which she's past.

But I'm completely specifics free.


Glamcookie - May 22, 2003 5:05:52 pm PDT #2041 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

But, surely, until someone contradicts it onscreen it's not a fanwank, so much as a canon modification?

Signed, Is Still Sure Willow's Bi

Uh, this has been contradicted on-screen. How may "Gay nows" does it take? Plus she hooked up with another woman after Tara died. The ratio says heading down gay lane. And I couldn't be happier :)


§ ita § - May 22, 2003 5:08:11 pm PDT #2042 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

this has been contradicted on-screen.

Yeah. I know. Such was my point. That's what makes it canon modification (or unreliable narration, if we're being especially gracious to me).


Cindy - May 22, 2003 5:37:32 pm PDT #2043 of 10001
Nobody

It seems to me that the Dawn's-no-longer-a-key references were always of the "we don't think she is" sort - not a proclamation. Also? These people are not reliable narrators (Hi Narrator).

The Key. See, I would have had Dawn's status as the (former) Key come into play. For example, I am not much taken by the idea that all that that was necessary for all the Potentials to have the Slayerness was for a powerful witch to make a spell with the Scythe. I would have required Slayer blood to make the spell work. Blood from all existing slayers. That would be Buffy and Faith. But there would need to be a blood from Dawn – she is of Slayer blood -- and that blood is not mixed with another human (unlike Principal Wood) but with pure energy. It would take all of that to make the spell work.

(If I ever finish my enormous fic...)


Narrator - May 22, 2003 5:48:04 pm PDT #2044 of 10001
The evil is this way?

(If I ever finish my enormous fic...)

Well, then, can you also work in something about Buffy not choosing Dawn? Because unless they meant she didn't chose Dawn to stay and fight, I'm thinking that was another thread left hanging. And they could have resolved it by Dawn insisting that the amulet was for her – that she has a soul but isn’t (entirely) human. Then Buffy would have had to choose between Dawn and Spike. And she could then not choose Dawn.

Then Dawn would be upstairs when Willow’s spell doesn’t work at first. Then someone (Willow or Xander – because in my story Xander and Dawn are also there protecting Willow in case the Bringers attack) realizes that they don’t have all the Slayer blood, and they need Dawn’s blood, and since that’s energy-laden – KA*BOOM!

And then, could you work in the side-story about how Oz returns and that maybe there’s some discussion as to whether the reference is to him (he’s a werewolf after all).

Also, then, you could buy me a pony.


ZeusGirl - May 22, 2003 5:51:45 pm PDT #2045 of 10001
"Angel and Spike, The Starsky and Hutch of the Netherworld" - Albert Einstein in his speech to the U.N. Security Council, Sept., 1955.

Every time I hear that, it makes me want to ask "have you tried listening to the song normally? You really don't have to put that much work into it..."

I always thought Hotel California was implying that California was Hell. Then I lived there for a year. So now I no longer think that. Now I know it to be true.


Sean K - May 22, 2003 5:54:48 pm PDT #2046 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

About the only worthwhile thing from the movie Playing God with David Duchovney is his narration line in the beginning about how "on a good day, Hell can look a lot like Los Angeles."

I live here, I don't want to live anywhere else, and I think LA/California = Hell jokes are funny as hell.

'Cuz they're true.


Cindy - May 22, 2003 5:57:44 pm PDT #2047 of 10001
Nobody

(Narrator - I think you have to write me a revisionist fic - and could the final spell actually be the enjoining spell and not some random-wordless thing, that focused too much camera time on Kennedy.)