Sorry, folks, this is not something I would do, it is not the way I would like to be treated, and I'm going to teach my children not to act this way. Them's my values.
I can aprreciate that, wenda, and I don't want to knock or discourage your views, but I have to say that I've snuggled with lots of people when neither of us were in love or even in danger of getting nookie, and I feel like you're saying that my snuggling with freinds is somehow "using" or "bad" or "something to teach your kids never to do."
I doubt you intend that, and I certainly hope you don't realize that you're sort of condeming a whole bunch of scenarios that don't fit into this set of definitions you're using, but I do feel condemned a little, and don't necessarily appreciate it.
I thought there was a line there about not being able to walk but now being able to.
I thought it was stand and by that I took it as standing up for themselves when they couldn't at first.
And by stand I mean.....
If you've got the power, fine, have the power, use the power, don't make speeches about having the power.
As a survivor of '70s feminism, I disagree. There's a discovery moment, when you realize "My God! I DO have the power!". You're entitled to make speeches about that moment.
Willow being more powerful than the guys who created the Slayer in the first place? That was over the top for me, too.
The same Willow who almost ripped the world apart last year, who couldn't be out powered? Doesn't surprise me at all.
have the power, use the power, don't make speeches about having the power.
Who shouldn't make speeches? Buffy? She never spoke about having the power. She spoke about sharing the power. And since she was making a pitch, it seemed like a good time to bring it up.
Or am I missing a speech?
I've snuggled with lots of people when neither of us were in love or even in danger of getting nookie
How much do I love the expression "in danger of getting nookie," hmm?
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(Just, umm, pretend those are arms, mmkay?)
As a survivor of '70s feminism, I disagree
I remember that stuff, thought it didn't happen directly to me. I have never felt unempowered. I should have qualified my statements by saying they applied to me. If those shots made people feel good, wonderful. They made me cringe.
Too bad, too, that so many of the precious few minutes were wasted by Kennedy and Angel kissing.
And on a lighter note - where was I when Angel and Kennedy kissed? That's a plot twist I wouldn't have seen coming.
On a more serious note, I repeat what I said a few days ago: despite a mid-season drag (a common Buffy occurence, IIRC), and the Giles-weirdness (no explanation that I can see for that, sadly), I've liked this season about 4th best of all 7 seasons - dead in the middle. And even 5 (at the bottom) had some good eps, was better than just about anything else out there, etc., it just had a hella-crap main arc.
I have to say that I can't judge Buffy's behavior in a vacuum. Yeah, the show was metaphor, but she's still the Slayer. And the Slayer has to worry first and foremost about the saving of the world. I took from Buffy this episode a certain adult resignation to that lot in her life. She understood that no matter how much she loved people, she had to let that take a backseat to doing her job.
So, yeah, she was manipulative. That was her job. And what tore her apart for seven years was having to be manipulative while trying to love people, too. Truly an impossible task. So she gave whatever she could to those she loved, but in the end she had to do whatever was needed, including sacrificing her own happiness, in order to save the world.
The scene with Angel illustrated this perfectly. Angel and his Dawson-like neediness was just not something she could deal with and still get her job done. Sometimes you just have to tell people whatever they need to hear, otherwise you can't get done the adult things that need to be done.
She can't deal with people's insecurities over their relationship with her and still be an effective Slayer. She's just got to move them into a state where they are dealing as quickly as she can, so she can get down to the business at hand. And what I took there was, "It sucks, but these are the cards I was dealt. So I just have to play them and then go save the world."
There is no way to be sweet, make everybody happy Buffy, and, in the end, isn't that true of us all? We have to be who we are, and the people who love us should love us for who we are. And if they can't deal, we can't go through life thinking that is our problem.
And you know what, Spike goes out even more heroic because I think he was the only one who ever just loved Buffy for who she was. Warts and all.
Buffy is a user AND a good person AND a selfish hero AND a snappy accessorizer. She's a Renaissance Slayer. They were all put in an impossible situation, week after week, and that has to be hard on interpersonal relationships. Notice how no one on the show ever had a successful one during the entire seven years.
