What you did to me was unbelievable, Connor. But then I got stuck in a hell dimension by my girlfriend one time for a hundred years, so three months under the ocean actually gave me perspective. Kind of a M.C. Escher perspective, but I did get time to think.

Angel ,'Conviction (1)'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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ZeusGirl - May 21, 2003 11:35:45 am PDT #1637 of 10001
"Angel and Spike, The Starsky and Hutch of the Netherworld" - Albert Einstein in his speech to the U.N. Security Council, Sept., 1955.

You know what was really funny? I caught the last ten minutes of Enough on HBO after the Buffy finale. Made me want to gag after having seen someone spend seven years empowering women in an honest, interesting, and responsible manner.


Dana - May 21, 2003 11:37:33 am PDT #1638 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I think she knows she's a slayer, and enjoys the athletic benefits by becoming the first female major league star, but also uses her abilities to Fight Crime as her team travels from city to city.

t snerk


Connie Neil - May 21, 2003 11:38:09 am PDT #1639 of 10001
brillig

I thought there was a line there about not being able to walk but now being able to. Could be wrong.

If you've got the power, fine, have the power, use the power, don't make speeches about having the power. I'm glad people felt vindicated and stronger, but power is in what you do--or don't do--not in what you say.


Betsy HP - May 21, 2003 11:38:47 am PDT #1640 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Oh, and Willow being more powerful than the guys who created the Slayer in the first place?

That was about Willow specifically.


Sean K - May 21, 2003 11:39:16 am PDT #1641 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Sorry, folks, this is not something I would do, it is not the way I would like to be treated, and I'm going to teach my children not to act this way. Them's my values.

I can aprreciate that, wenda, and I don't want to knock or discourage your views, but I have to say that I've snuggled with lots of people when neither of us were in love or even in danger of getting nookie, and I feel like you're saying that my snuggling with freinds is somehow "using" or "bad" or "something to teach your kids never to do."

I doubt you intend that, and I certainly hope you don't realize that you're sort of condeming a whole bunch of scenarios that don't fit into this set of definitions you're using, but I do feel condemned a little, and don't necessarily appreciate it.


Aims - May 21, 2003 11:39:21 am PDT #1642 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I thought there was a line there about not being able to walk but now being able to.

I thought it was stand and by that I took it as standing up for themselves when they couldn't at first.

And by stand I mean.....


Betsy HP - May 21, 2003 11:40:28 am PDT #1643 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

If you've got the power, fine, have the power, use the power, don't make speeches about having the power.

As a survivor of '70s feminism, I disagree. There's a discovery moment, when you realize "My God! I DO have the power!". You're entitled to make speeches about that moment.


Connie Neil - May 21, 2003 11:41:00 am PDT #1644 of 10001
brillig

That was about Willow specifically.

Yes, I know.


§ ita § - May 21, 2003 11:41:34 am PDT #1645 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Willow being more powerful than the guys who created the Slayer in the first place? That was over the top for me, too.

The same Willow who almost ripped the world apart last year, who couldn't be out powered? Doesn't surprise me at all.

have the power, use the power, don't make speeches about having the power.

Who shouldn't make speeches? Buffy? She never spoke about having the power. She spoke about sharing the power. And since she was making a pitch, it seemed like a good time to bring it up.

Or am I missing a speech?


P.M. Marc - May 21, 2003 11:41:50 am PDT #1646 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I've snuggled with lots of people when neither of us were in love or even in danger of getting nookie

How much do I love the expression "in danger of getting nookie," hmm?

t 3---------------THIS MUCH---------------E

(Just, umm, pretend those are arms, mmkay?)