What if I had started my proposal two hours after Msbelle had?
Actually, unless my reading skills have deteriorated, you aren't saying the same thing at all.
I agreed with his point and then listed additional ones.
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Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
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Trudy Booth - Apr 21, 2003 11:39:52 pm PDT #916 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Burrell - Apr 21, 2003 11:40:15 pm PDT #917 of 10005
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
To be honest, I don't recall if a don't touch period has been decided on.
I thought that it had. Didn't we vote for 6 months, with a check in at 3 months to take the pulse of the board?
§ ita § - Apr 21, 2003 11:43:12 pm PDT #918 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
What if I had started my proposal two hours after Msbelle had?
As in made the suggestion, or as in received all the seconds you required?
If you got the seconds first, then your proposal goes live first, I think. If not, if you want to discuss the same thing she's discussing with different parameters, you can't until the waiting period if over.
I don't quite get your point. You sound disenfranchised, but I can't put my finger on your reason.
Trudy Booth - Apr 21, 2003 11:49:05 pm PDT #919 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Perhaps most folk liked the status quo. Perhaps they didn't. Doesn't actually matter.
Well, it matters, it just has little to do with how the decisions are made.
Why aren't votes mandates?
A mandate would indicate overwhelming popular support for a proposal. Since so many people don't participate we don't really know if these are a series of marvelously constructed ballots or not.
I'm just saying that a small portion of the board has gotten into the proposing and making rules thing. And the people who aren't don't seem to vote.
Hil R. - Apr 21, 2003 11:52:07 pm PDT #920 of 10005
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
I'm just saying that a small portion of the board has gotten into the proposing and making rules thing. And the people who aren't don't seem to vote.
But this vote had about 95 people voting, didn't it? That's about 12% of registered users, and I'd guess about 45% of active users. (That second number is a total guess.) I'd say there were no more than about 10 people actively discussing the proposal in the voting thread.
t edited to fix some numbers
§ ita § - Apr 21, 2003 11:53:27 pm PDT #921 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
A mandate would indicate overwhelming popular support for a proposal.
No, a mandate is a dictated course of action. There's no reason you can't have a mandate from just one person.
Well, it matters, it just has little to do with how the decisions are made.
Trudy, your hypotheses on people who don't speak up are just as wild as mine. Maybe everyone who cares voted. Who knows?
a small portion of the board has gotten into the proposing and making rules thing. And the people who aren't don't seem to vote.
Based on what? We don't know who voted. We only know who discussed. We can surmise, but it's kinda empty. Maybe people who hate proposals and rule making voted, because the outcome was more important to them than their hatred of the method.
Trudy Booth - Apr 21, 2003 11:57:56 pm PDT #922 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
If you got the seconds first, then your proposal goes live first, I think.
Which makes it impossible to vote between two constructive alternatives ("10" or "20").
From what I gather, unless the people in the discussion can persuade the person making the proposal they have no effect on what goes on the ballot.
§ ita § - Apr 22, 2003 12:02:23 am PDT #923 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
From what I gather, unless the people in the discussion can persuade the person making the proposal they have no effect on what goes on the ballot.
Yes.
Which makes it impossible to vote between two constructive alternatives ("10" or "20").
No. Not if the proposer wants to offer those alternatives. And that's your definition of constructive, and does not hold true for everyone.
Trudy Booth - Apr 22, 2003 12:05:19 am PDT #924 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
No, a mandate is a dictated course of action. There's no reason you can't have a mandate from just one person.
We're using different definitions for "mandate". I'll quit using it.
So what does it take to propose something? Can I propose whatever I want, word it however I want and put it to a vote 48 hours later?
Hil R. - Apr 22, 2003 12:06:18 am PDT #925 of 10005
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
So what does it take to propose something? Can I propose whatever I want, word it however I want and put it to a vote 48 hours later?
You'd need people to second it, and it would be voted on several days later.