Nothin'. I just wanted you to face me so she could get behind ya.

Mal ,'The Train Job'


Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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Trudy Booth - Apr 22, 2003 12:05:19 am PDT #924 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

No, a mandate is a dictated course of action. There's no reason you can't have a mandate from just one person.

We're using different definitions for "mandate". I'll quit using it.

So what does it take to propose something? Can I propose whatever I want, word it however I want and put it to a vote 48 hours later?


Hil R. - Apr 22, 2003 12:06:18 am PDT #925 of 10005
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

So what does it take to propose something? Can I propose whatever I want, word it however I want and put it to a vote 48 hours later?

You'd need people to second it, and it would be voted on several days later.


Trudy Booth - Apr 22, 2003 12:07:04 am PDT #926 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

How many people?


Hil R. - Apr 22, 2003 12:08:21 am PDT #927 of 10005
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

How many people?

Four, I believe. I think that's what that vote decided.


§ ita § - Apr 22, 2003 12:09:58 am PDT #928 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Voting results to date:


Trudy Booth - Apr 22, 2003 12:22:53 am PDT #929 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Got it now.

I guess my concern is about how the phrasing of a ballot effects the outcome and that one person determines the phrasing.

For instance, if the matter just voted on had been worded:

Any ten posters can (upon stating publically within 24 hours of each other) for any reason officially censure (and ultimately ban) another poster.

The votes may well have lined up differently.

So, come June 29th if I'm still concerned about how ballots are written I can propose something.


Julie - Apr 22, 2003 12:25:23 am PDT #930 of 10005

I'm probably a bit late, I got interupted by a co-worker (the noive of some people! :)

How many seconders to turn a proposal into a vote?

4

How many voters to makle a vote count?

42

How long before you can propose an end to voting?

6 months

The moritorium on moritoriums can be reviewed in 3 months. Every other vote stands at 6 month.

The initial vote, to approve voting, is here jengod "Sunnydale Press" Mar 3, 2003 12:00:27 am EST

And I think it's important to remember that 135 people voted on the subject of voting. 120 people said, yes, I want voting to be the way that things are decided.

With the way this board works, that's an overwhelming number of people. And either definition of "mandate" would work here.


§ ita § - Apr 22, 2003 12:25:44 am PDT #931 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah, they'd probably have lined up differently. That's a different proposal.

That's not just wording, that's concept. Assuming, for the moment, that you didn't mean to swap 24 for 48 -- msbelle's prime proposal was about how to institute an action. Whether that becomes a censure or a ban was NOT up for vote, as it's already been decided. But it is in your proposal.


Julie - Apr 22, 2003 12:29:19 am PDT #932 of 10005

So, come June 29th if I'm still concerned about how ballots are written I can propose something.

Actually Trudy, my reading of it is that you'd have to overturn the moritorium decision itself, in order to revisit an individual decision in less than 6 months.

Edited to add..

further discussion on a given matter should be closed for 6 months. If this initiative passes, we agree at 3 months from the day (date) the poll closes, to take a vote of confidence on this decision (only), to see if we think 6 months is too long, too short, or just right.

This decision will stand until June 29th, at which point it may be revisited.


Trudy Booth - Apr 22, 2003 12:31:09 am PDT #933 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

My concept is different because my concern is different, but the net result would be the same. Ten people can now click-up and, ultimately, boot someone off the board.

(and, yeah, the 24/48 was a mix-up)