I don't think there is anything wrong with voicing a minority opinion, Trudy. It's just that more people will disagree with you, kinda by definition. I think we have all been the minority voice at one point or another. I know I have and I know I found it frustrating. But it's not a personal criticism in any way, certainly it's not a rejection of you.
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Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
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Burrell - Apr 18, 2003 3:46:26 pm PDT #738 of 10005
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
Trudy Booth - Apr 18, 2003 3:50:07 pm PDT #739 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
I'm not taking it personally. I'm concerned about what "we need to cut out the discussions" means.
msbelle - Apr 18, 2003 3:58:08 pm PDT #740 of 10005
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
I'm concerned about what "we need to cut out the discussions" means.
Only speaking for myself (I feel the need to over-clarify everything all of a sudden) - What I would take that to mean is people stating the same point over and over. All the circular arguments we get into. It's actually one of the reasons I am happy that we have voting now.
Trudy Booth - Apr 18, 2003 4:01:29 pm PDT #741 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Well, that's going to happen in a discussion (unless it's debate team and you're being scored and little time-cards are being held up), particularly when not everybody is here at the same time.
Consuela - Apr 18, 2003 4:02:05 pm PDT #742 of 10005
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Well, the thing is, somewhere upthread we seem to have agreed that upsetting 10 Buffistas to the point of seconding is worthy of taking action. It's not short-cutting discussion, and I don't think discussion is forbidden, but it does free us from having to come to (that dreaded word again) consensus by discussion.
I don't think anyone who participated or read the Z-related discussion here last weekend particularly enjoyed it, and I think after a while it became more noise, less signal, which, frankly, wasn't all that conducive to an actual decision. No decision was made, in fact, until Z upped the ante in the thread sufficient to tweak just about everyone, and then things happened quickly.
I think the process as defined is designed to get us from one point to another with less handwringing, because everyone knows what happens next and what the stakes are. I don't think it's designed to make it easy to warn/suspend/ban someone, but it will make it less arduous, and it will set up a process that is less damaging to the relationships within the community.
Or am I talking out my arse again?
Jessica - Apr 18, 2003 4:05:26 pm PDT #743 of 10005
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
We're not cutting out the discussions, we're just not going to be repeating in Bureaucracy what's already been said in-thread.
IMO, if ten people think that a warning is justified, there's no reason we all need to talk about our feelings for three days before doing something about it.
msbelle - Apr 18, 2003 4:06:44 pm PDT #744 of 10005
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
yes. that.
Trudy Booth - Apr 18, 2003 4:10:47 pm PDT #745 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
IMO, if ten people think that a warning is justified, there's no reason we all need to talk about our feelings for three days before doing something about it.
People who disagree presenting their opinion on the matter is a reason for a discussion.
This time it was three or four. What if it were thirty?
Regardless, if someone comes in here and says "I think X" why shouldn't the people who think "not-x" hold their tongues?
msbelle - Apr 18, 2003 4:13:29 pm PDT #746 of 10005
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
Trudy,
For me, the key point in Jess' post is "three days". I do not hear anyone saying don't post your thoughts on the matter. I do not hear anyone saying other voices should stay silent.
Trudy Booth - Apr 18, 2003 4:15:34 pm PDT #747 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
It wasn't a finite incident. It went on continually and the discussion went on too.