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Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych


amyth - Apr 14, 2003 6:56:03 pm PDT #25 of 10005
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

I move that amyth has to be my slave, and do my laundry because she made me cry (and I suspect she made the baby Jesus cry, too).

Any seconds?

Okay! Okay! You've got yourself a slave. Do I need to wear a collar?


Laura - Apr 14, 2003 6:59:37 pm PDT #26 of 10005
"Against all evidence, I keep thinking the assholes are outliers." - James Holden

I just Marcie the chick out myself, but it is very upsetting to me that my fellow Buffistas have been upset by her posting. That brings out the mama bear in me and that made me originally email her myself then agree that a warning should be sent. I have seen no improvement in her posting style.

I do however strongly believe that two wrongs do not make a right and I will not and have not engaged her in the threads. I completely understand why others have done so. We just handle conflict differently. That is why I favor the systematic approach to such matters that we are discussing in the light bulb thread.


askye - Apr 14, 2003 7:01:40 pm PDT #27 of 10005
Thrive to spite them

I know! It's not about the warning.

It's not even about...

Evidentally there's no way I can explain why I'm so frustrated without it sounding like it's all about Zoe and I'm sorry but it's not all about Zoe.

It's about how other Buffistas treated those who made the complaints, that's what has me so upset.


Laura - Apr 14, 2003 7:01:54 pm PDT #28 of 10005
"Against all evidence, I keep thinking the assholes are outliers." - James Holden

Also, I did originally think that ita had sent an official warning and was very disappointed to find that it was informal.


askye - Apr 14, 2003 7:03:45 pm PDT #29 of 10005
Thrive to spite them

That's part of what I'm pissed about.


msbelle - Apr 14, 2003 7:06:11 pm PDT #30 of 10005
Now if your car ain't got it, go out and get it. We like the boom and don't you forget it. So turn down the treble and front your bass.

askye - I think a majority of people see your side and even agree with you. I am sorry that you feel attacked in this, and I am sorry that there will never be total agreement on issues like this, but there won't be.

I just see you getting more and more upset and I don't see a way to undo that.


askye - Apr 14, 2003 7:16:47 pm PDT #31 of 10005
Thrive to spite them

Msbelle it's actually several different things that are frustrating me and I can't separate them very well right now.

Some of it has to do directly with Zoe and her situation.

Some of it is more general frustrations with other sort of issues that got wrapped up into it but I can't end up talking about one withouth the other.


Laura - Apr 14, 2003 7:20:13 pm PDT #32 of 10005
"Against all evidence, I keep thinking the assholes are outliers." - James Holden

What msbelle said askye. I don't think that those people who may call for some understanding of Zoe are trying to make light of your discomfort. Some people will always want to bend over backwards to give a poster the benefit of the doubt. I am not one of them, but I have been like that IRL about people who may not have deserved such consideration.


Daisy Jane - Apr 14, 2003 7:26:56 pm PDT #33 of 10005
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I feel you askye. I think that I'm trying to let the stuff about pile-ons and ganging up roll off my back because we're arguing about one poster who has, I feel violated the spirit of the community. I'd rather stick to discussing that.


Nicole - Apr 14, 2003 7:30:32 pm PDT #34 of 10005
I'm getting the pig!

I am an infrequent poster however I read the posts made by all the other Buffistas daily. I enjoy the comraderie of the Buffistas as it is unlike any other board I have seen. Until lately.

With that said, I would like to request (not demand) that everyone make an attempt to see this situation from every angle. I hate that one person is (seemingly) creating a tear in the fabric that is Buffistas. Hate it.

Everyone is shaped by experiences in their lives. All different experiences. Certain situations will always be more difficult for some than others and therefore will affect us all in a different manner.

The way we deal with these situations may not always be 'perfect' but we're all human. I doubt that any of us could claim to have handled our anger or hurt in the best way during every situation that has come along in our lives.

For me, personally, I will be leaving any and all important decisions up to the long standing members of this community. They built this community and have put the most effort into this site. I feel they have the most to gain or lose. Therefore, I trust them to decide what is best since they were the reason I was originally intrigued by Buffistas in the first place.