I agree with Kat that we should add some kind of component to the vote about just automatically opening a thread for a Joss show (though that does open a whole other can of worms).

I think it should be a separate issue on the ballot. That way each issue becomes its own thing.

But I'd also be surprised if that one doesn't pass. I mean, for all the discussions we've had over the years about Who We Are, surely that is the one immutable underlying definition, yes? Although I can see why people might be against automatically creating even just Joss threads.

As to the can of worms....

If we do decide to just automatically open a thread for any new Joss show, when exactly do we open it? Rumor, Development, Pilot Shooting, Initial Episodes Shooting, Episode Delivery, Confirmed on the Schedule, or Actual Airing?

This discussion is only for opening a Dollhouse thread, as that is the proposal - correct? Or am I wrong? I think the Joss thing should be proposed afterwards, as it's a separate issue.

I agree with Sean. Two issues on the ballot -- the first being "open a dollhouse thread" the second being "Joss shows automatically get a thread."

Carried over from B'cracy,

msbelle said:

Would really hate to have a thread per show if shows don't even make a full season.

I think that's a valid argument. I think my gut response to that is to point out that even really prolific TV people aren't all that prolific, Joss in particular. Dollhouse is his first new show since Firefly (movies, comics and web musicals notwithstanding). How many years apart is that? It's not like Joss is taking over network TV, so automatically crating a thread for each new show is, on average, happening once every five years or so.

This discussion is only for opening a Dollhouse thread, as that is the proposal - correct? Or am I wrong?

Glamcookie can expand or contract her proposal as she pleases. Within one proposal, we often have several separate questions.

I think the Joss thing should be proposed afterwards, as it's a separate issue.

I think that is a legitimate position too, and as a supporter of the idea, I'll say I'm fine if that happens. I still offer it as a suggested amendment to GC. It's up to her if she wants to put it on her final ballot issue, or leave it up to someone else to propose as the next issue.

I agree with Sean. Two issues on the ballot -- the first being "open a dollhouse thread" the second being "Joss shows automatically get a thread."

thirded. I think if the second half passes we could have another vote around precisely when a new Joss thread shall be opened.

Okay, I would like to the add that a new Joss show should automatically have a thread created with no vote necessay. When that should happen, I'm not sure (how much prior to air date). Also, what happens with Joss Web series? How should this be defined?

If it's a comic it can go in the Other Media thread - but if it's the second series of Dr. Horrible. .. possible have it's own thread.

I really want to open a Dollhouse thread because it seems off to discuss a show that's Joss' in the Minearverse area.

I mean, will people really want to continue to discuss Dollhouse in there if Tim's show gets picked up and Dollhouse is still running?

How about proposing that any future Joss show doesn't need a voting process, just a nomination and a second?