How about keeping SPN in Boxed Set, and a new rule limiting W&P to concurrent posting with the airing of the show.

Speaking as someone who actually does find the rerun W&Ps irritating, I wouldn't feel comfortable with this. As it stands right now, Boxed Set is the proper place for SPN discussion, and if that discussion takes a form that I find irritating, well, that's my problem; someday, the wheel will turn, and the thread will turn into a place that I find joyous and someone else is irritated by. Saying "hey, there's kind of a lot of SPN talk in here and I feel drowned out, maybe there could be an SPN thread?" is one thing, but "you're welcome here so long as you continue to Follow the Rules" icks me out.

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But, I DEFINITELY don't want SPNers to think that they can't squee and flail, regardless of what happens here.

Seconding this, whatever happens.

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Saying "hey, there's kind of a lot of SPN talk in here and I feel drowned out, maybe there could be an SPN thread?" is one thing, but "you're welcome here so long as you continue to Follow the Rules" icks me out.

Vortex, I agree with Katie. I don't want to see the SPN discussion nannied like that. I think SPN needs to be free in Boxed Set, or free in a dedicated thread.

This was never (or never should have been) about controlling the SPN talk. It was (or should have been) about determining whether or not SPN had outgrown Boxed Set. There are already hurt feelings, understandably, because people feel criticized for using the thread as intended and well within the rules, and other people feel hurt because they feel like it doesn't matter if their conversation is stifled. Making a special rule to restrict how SPNers can have fun seems even worse (and this isn't personal from me -- although I now count myself among SPNers, I don't W&P on DVD, and if I have live, it's been a rare occasion).

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Vortex, I agree with Katie. I don't want to see the SPN discussion nannied like that. I think SPN needs to be free in Boxed Set, or free in a dedicated thread.

cool, I was trying to find a good compromise.

Making a special rule to restrict how SPNers can have fun seems even worse

I definitely didn't mean to do that. I thought that it would apply equally to all groups. But, now that I think about it, it's kind of like the legal concept that although a law may be neutral on its face, if it only affects a certain class of people, it is discriminatory.

You know, when we started this discussion, I would have been totally in favor of an SPN thread. Now, I want to keep the SPNers in Boxed Set and hold them and squeeze them and call them George.

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Right. And buy them DVDs.

I mean, I am an SPNer, but I'm new enough to it (although not that new to Boxed Set any longer) that I still feel like it's "their" show and they just let me look at it, and I'm all sad that there's all this hurt with people I love, and my new best show, in my favorite B.org thread (er...Boxed Set, not lightbulbs).

I want to feed everyone warm chocolate pudding.

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I want to feed everyone warm chocolate pudding.

::opens mouth baby bird style::

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I will happily accept warm chocolate pudding and being hugged by Vortex. I just think for everybody's sake and sanity at this point, SPN needs its own thread. That's not what I thought at the outset, but I didn't comprehend how uncomfortable, complicated, and even irritating SPN W&Ps, or even free-form SPN discussions, have become to other members of Boxed Set until we talked it out here.

Although SPN posters were using the thread according to the rules (But we're *staying* inside the lines! Really!), everybody else felt squashed aside, and that's no good either. There's no way to turn down the volume, either the number of posts, nor their enthusiasm, nor would that be any fun, so it's best we move out and make room for people crazy about other shows in Boxed Set.

When things die down a bit and a little time passes, I, and maybe others who've said they're reluctant to discuss other shows in Boxed Set for fear of commiting offensive squee, may relax a little.

I'm not speaking for anybody else, though. This is just where I am. Pudding. And hugs.

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for fear of commiting offensive squee

For what it's worth, I've never felt offended, nor have I been irritated by the people posting.

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There's still a pretty active TV forum at WX. I don't know if it's the same one you're talking about, but I post there, so does sumi, le nub, ita, and probably some other Buffistas I'm forgetting.

Holy crap, ita has time to post on another board? Do you ever sleep? Are you hosting two brains?

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Well, I'm finally understanding the hurt feelings more and what happened.

It does seem clear that one of the bigger issues is that the thread proposal didn't come from people who wanted the thread, but people who wanted to off-load Supernatural. But, as discussed, the very fact of one show dominating a bucket thread creates its own kind of pressure that would have to be addressed anyway.

But it would have been better if the discussion had simply started from a different angle. Same discussion maybe, but with a lot less sting.

I don't know how to address the other thing I'm noticing without invoking the apparently confusing "Media Fandom" phrase. But the people who are feeling unhappily booted from Box Set have been discussing Supernatural as they do elsewhere in the larger fandom realms, but with local Buffistas. So when Squee and W&P receive objection it feels more like a repudiation of their whole way of interacting with shows (aka, media).

It's not just a volume issue, but something that feels more personal.

Which I hadn't really understood until we got this far into the discussion.

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