But now the SPN watchers say they wouldn't feel welcome back in Boxed Set anyway, and the other Boxed Set denizens are saying "Hey, we like you; we're just trying to make mediafannish discussions easier for everyone!"

I don't watch SPN so I have no stake in this, but the above sentiment seems understandable to me on the side of the SPN-ers. Why go back to Boxed Set and risk talking too much about another show that the thread was established for and then be told that you're talking too much about it? I know that may not be people's intentions, but that's the message that I see being floated out there.

I would totally support an SPN thread if I thought the majority of SPN watchers and posters actually wanted it, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm not saying that the others should suck it up, but if the amount of people complaining here about the overwhelming nature of the SPN posts at times, actually posted about what they wanted to talk about when this is going on instead of just sitting back and feeling overwhelmed, I think the thread stats would look completely different.

So wait. Are you SPN types saying you wouldn't want to stay in Boxed Set now, anyway, no matter what?

I've pretty much conceded that more people are unhappy having the discussion there than are happy having it there. The thread will happen, we'll be cranky for a time and then start arguing about important things like what to name the thread. We'll get over it, I'm sure. We usually do.

That said, it's been an unpleasant couple of days. It's put me in a horrible mood, and at loggerheads with people I like. I don't like that. It's not good for anyone.

To avoid such an eventuality in the future, I am saying that, should I feel passionate enough about another genre show to want to discuss it ad nauseum, I will most likely not be doing so in Boxed Set.

And Frank wasn't the one who proposed the new thread either.

Okay. I don't get it, and I'm not going to. Is there any non-going-back-in-time solution here?

To avoid such an eventuality in the future, I am saying that, should I feel passionate enough about another genre show to want to discuss it ad nauseum, I will most likely not be doing so in Boxed Set.

Where will you do the discussing?

I really don't get it. Time to unsub.

Okay. I don't get it, and I'm not going to.

I feel like there's some subtext I must be missing, w/r/t Frank's post.

Yup, I proposed it. And as someone who goes into Boxed Set only for SPN discussion, I didn't have any idea how others might feel pushed out. I was also accustomed to single-show threads for Lost and VM.

I will say that I felt a little weird posting about Padalecki's hair in BS the other night, because right now I feel like every post about SPN has a big red flag on it. Maybe that's just me, but at this point if an SPN thread doesn't get created, I think I'll be more inclined to restrain my fannish squee.

Which hurts *simply for me* because this is the first time I've ever been this fannish about a show from the get-go. I came to the Beta and here long after the communities and the shows were established. And squeeing (or media fannishness or whatever) is fun, for me. Especially when I get to do it with people I like.

I don't think Frank meant harm or hurt feelings. But I do sort of wish I had thought more about what a proposal like would mean before I ... proposed it.

Where will you do the discussing?

I'll probably leave it on LJ.

I've pretty much conceded that more people are unhappy having the discussion there than are happy having it there.

I don't have any sense that that's really true, though.

Since I have no dog in this fight, here's what makes me cranky about these discussions that feel like they're trying to work their way toward consensus: people concede what they want before they have to. To use this current argument as an example: I don't think you can know, even from reading this whole discussion, how many people are unhappy having the discussion there or how many are happy having it there. You can get a sense about how many people are posting about it, but even then, if you're not actually counting, it's easy to get distracted by people who are posting a lot, or posting passionately, or whatever. And god knows how many people have an opinion but haven't posted it in this thread. Or how many people posted and then changed their mind based on subsequent discussion.

But this is why I love the voting, and I know that not everyone does. I'm just saying -- don't vote a certain way because you think it's what "people" want. Vote a certain way because it's what you want.

Um. Tangent.