I mean, I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers the sturm und drang over creating the original Natter thread. That was going to kill the culture of the Buffy thread, and create a legion of thread-nannies and whatever else terrible was going to happen.

See! And this all would never have happened if we hadn't had a natter thread! I blame BHP!

Just kidding!

But I do wish that we'd had a more esoteric "where do we want to go" discussion following the experimental threads. I know that sort of thing drives people batty, but I value our ability to plan for our future and shape a universe that works for us.

I think there should be respect for our culture and history. But I think there's room to look for a new shape. I know I'm the first person to point and say, "but we used to do it this way because..." I think that's valuable because we can avoid past mistakes and capitalize on past successes.

Yeah, we're definitely having an argument. But I also think no one here intends to hurt feelings. So the hurt is coming from where our rough edges are rubbing up against each other. We probably won't come to a solution that's equitable for everyone. But I hope we're able to continue to nourish the friendships we've developed here over the years.

before we go ripping stuff apart to build a clone of something already done

Because lots of the people who make up this community wouldn't hang around if it was no longer a community.

Bev, I understand your concerns, but I also don't see anyone trying to make a clone of something already done. And I also don't think that creating a one-show thread is going to make this community no longer a community.

See! And this all would never have happened if we hadn't had a natter thread! I blame BHP!

I think you can blame Lyra Jane if you want, because wasn't she the first one to suggest a Natter thread, which was roundly shot down?

And I also don't think that creating a one-show thread is going to make this community no longer a community.

Definitely agreed as we already have one-show threads. But this is the first time I can recall vocal people who watch the show not wanting a new thread.

We built in methods for change and adaptation, and while those methods are creaky and slower than some people would like, they do work. They are working.

Um, aren't those the methods that what we're using vis-a-vis the potential SPN thread? How is the process being side-stepped or subverted?

Yes. We all thought Lyra Jane was crazy, wanting to take the Natter out of the Buffy threads.

But this is the first time I can recall vocal people who watch the show not wanting a new thread.

There is that, though. Hrm.

Steph, I'm no longer talking about a single thread dedicated to SPN, I've more or less conceded on that count. But I am trying to respond to the calls for dedicated threads for every show anybody's interested in talking about. That seems to be where this is headed, one show at a time.

And I was addressing Connie's post.

Um, aren't those the methods that what we're using vis-a-vis the potential SPN thread?

Yes, I said so.

while those methods are creaky and slower than some people would like, they do work. They are working.

How is the process being side-stepped or subverted?

Again, I was responding to Connie's post.

I should get lunch.

But this is the first time I can recall vocal people who watch the show not wanting a new thread.

Totally.

But since Boxed Set is a bucket thread, there are 2 groups being affected: (1) SPN watchers, and (2) other denizens of Boxed Set.

The SPN watchers feel like they're being kicked out and prevented from mediafannish discussion, while the other denizens of Boxed Set feel like the high volume of SPN posts makes it hard to discuss any other mediafannish shows.

But now the SPN watchers say they wouldn't feel welcome back in Boxed Set anyway, and the other Boxed Set denizens are saying "Hey, we like you; we're just trying to make mediafannish discussions easier for everyone!"

Is that about right?